[jahaja]

There clearly isn't much ground for a constructive discussion here with that kind of dogmatic market fundamentalism. Pretty much all of what you wrote is trivially refutable by just comparing the US to other western-European nations.

[throwaway201103]

Western Europe has more of a welfare state than the US, but they are still capitalist economies. They also depend on the US for many things, including but not limited to defense and world stability in particular. The "utopia societies" many see there have only existed since after end of World War II, and are directly tracable to the US provision of those things. Take a look at eastern Europe in the 1970/80s to see what a full-on welfare state looks like.

[jahaja]

I can't really see anything in your post that contradicts anything I've written in this thread so I'm not sure what your point it.

[syshum]

The contradiction is your belief that the US way of doing things is bad, while enjoying stability and advancement given to you by the US.

If the US pulled out of the European Theatre and stopped "world policing" like many in the EU (and the US) would like, then it would not be long before most of the EU was speaking Mandarin or Russian, and the EU can not stand alone with out the US backing both Militarily and Economically

the "western-European nations." you wish me to compare the US to would fall in about 3 seconds with out US backing, and their Large State Welfare systems would collapse

[jahaja]

That's just unsubstantiated nationalistic nonsense.