[vagrantJin]

> I realized I just wanted a phone that would work. And for the most part, that's what I got: a phone that does phone stuff, and does it well (and still does it, 2 years later, just as well as the day I bought it).

I certainly don't intend to wax lyrical about Android devices but it does do phone stuff and does it pretty well. Android versions usually make sweeping changes to the UI so mine is a bit dated but it does what I paid for.

I do agree that tracking by private corporations is big no and collectively we should push back hard but whether it be google or apple or samsung or microsoft, all of them give nigh 2cents worth a damn about our privacy. We are their products as the now popular maxim goes.

The only phone with some privacy is a Nokia 3310.

[brundolf]

> but it does do phone stuff and does it pretty well

It does, if you have Google Services. If you don't want Google Services, you're going to have a crippled device. Apple is the only company that has any financial incentive not to spy on you, so while I don't take them 100% at their word, I accept that they're the best I'm going to get in that regard.

Basically, pick two:

- A fully-functioning smartphone

- Reasonable privacy

- Customizability

[edgyquant]

> We are their products as the now popular maxim goes.

But this isn’t true for Apple. They sell their services and don’t depend on ad revenue.