[whimsicalism]

> The has never been a Palestinian country before 1948 when Israel was created

There were people who lived in a place and they were kicked out of their homes by the UN mandate.

I don't think whether Palestine had been incorporated into the Western westphalian system is really relevant to the moral claims at hand.

[eitland]

> There were people who lived in a place and they were kicked out of their homes by the UN mandate.

In the same way as Jews were kicked out of their homes all the way to Iraq. The difference being that Israel took care of the Jews while the Arabs used their Palestinian brothers as pawns in an international chess game.

> I don't think whether Palestine had been incorporated into the Western westphalian system is really relevant to the moral claims at hand.

Good point. I've already pointed out my opinion about UN above and it seems we aren't too far apart on certain points.