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by alanh 5525 days ago
Have you ever heard of HTML5? It is fundamentally a codification & standardization of existing practice (<canvas>, parsing, short encoding meta tags) — and when it isn’t doing that, it addresses actual needs (like how to handle video and audio).
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haberman 5525 days ago
HTML5 was created by WHATWG (not W3C) in 2004. WHATWG was formed specifically because W3C had abandoned HTML in favor of XHTML. Only when it was clear that XHTML was a failure did W3C abandon it and join forces with WHATWG in 2007.

In other words, W3C missed the boat on this. I don't think it's to their great credit that they joined a three-year-old effort after it was already clear that the whole industry was headed towards HTML5 and not XHTML.

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thaumaturgy 5525 days ago
Are you seriously asking someone on HN if they've ever heard of HTML5?
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alanh 5525 days ago
Rhetorical, and if I could still edit to take the tone a step towards neutral, I would. But parent is an out-of-place and out-of-date criticism of w3c in my opinion. At minimum, they should explain why HTML5 is not a counter-example of their claim
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epistasis 5525 days ago
You should learn the history of HTML5, it's a perfect example of how the W3C is terribly broken, and certainly not an adequate or passable standards body. HTML5 was developed outside of W3C, in spite of the W3C, and at the objection of the W3C. Remember XHTML2? Hopefully not, but that's what the W3C wanted to do. The WHATWG formed to create HTML5 because browser makers wanted to improve the web and it was obvious that XHTML2 wasn't going to do that.

After it was clear how useful HTML5 was, the W3C was dragged into participation, but unlike W3C standards, HTML5 continued on with it's open development model where discussion takes place in the open.

The W3C has not contributed the idea, the execution, the prolitical process, or the people to HTML5, and HTML5 is a W3C standard by label only. If you look at the other standards the W3C creates, you'll see a pattern where standards are developed in isolation behind closed doors and without implementations, in direct contrast to any useable and useful standard such as HTML5. RDF, OWL, SVG, all abominations that seem to exist to hold back others from making reasonable and useful replacements.

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