[lotsofpulp]

>Generally in any location in the US (with exceptions like in SF, Seattle, Oakland, etc. where you are lucky enough to live in a MDU with multiple fiber providers or a municipal broadband area),

I've never seen a residence in the US with multiple fiber ISP options. And when purchasing a house in the past year, I noticed fiber was available if the entire subdivision was newly built in the past 5, maybe 10 years, otherwise fiber is unavailable. So the telecom companies are laying fiber, but only if the entire area is new and they're laying new everything. If you build a new house in an area with existing homes, you won't get new fiber. And I didn't find any pre-2010 houses with fiber period.

[ev1]

In the bay area there's some overlap. I've seen places that have Webpass in addition to something else, but it's always a MDU and not a single family home. I'll edit it a bit to clarify.

From what I've seen fiber providers are split into these:

- $$$$$, business, anywhere, pay per mile to pull fiber

- old-ish home incumbents like Frontier, often strange plans like 100 Mbps and 200 Mbps or 250 Mbps - I have no idea what their equipment looks like to provide this

- planned neighborhood telcos like https://smartcitytelecom.com/residential/

- municipal fiber, local utility co (EPBCo, Longmont)

- MDU-only urban fiber (Google Fiber Webpass)

[jbuzbee]

Ting brought fiber into our 40 year-old neighborhood a couple of years ago. Symmetric gigabit with no caps.

https://ting.com/internet/town/centennial

[AuthorizedCust]

I’m in a neighborhood developed between 60 and 75 years ago. We have fiber.

[cptskippy]

They probably had to replace aging infrastructure. Telcos aren't laying copper anymore. Verizon caught flak for neglecting aging copper networks and wanting to upgrade everything to fiber.

A drawback of fiber is that it generally doesn't work during power outages where as copper does.

[toast0]

The VDSL2 remote terminal that services my house cuts off the second utility power does. So don't count on copper working. Although when the utility power outage was due to a downed line between me and the remote terminal, the DSL didn't drop.

[AuthorizedCust]

Not really. They mostly just threw it on the poles.

[cptskippy]

Bell South ran fiber all over metro Atlanta in the late 90s but never into neighborhoods and they never lit it up as far as I know.

[easton]

That’s wild, considering AT&T is now running fiber service everywhere. I’m surprised they wouldn’t use it for that, at this point they could provide service to Atlanta overnight.

[renewiltord]

Sonic Fiber is in many places in SF. I have it. Best ISP ever.

[cptskippy]

Exactly. They don't lay copper anymore, just fiber and then use an ONT to break it up into Phone, Data, Security, and Video.