[faxfax]

It's not that bad - Samsung and Intel are at most 1-2 years behind TSMC. An eternity in terms of product cycles for sure, but society would not fall apart if Apple had to redesign their A15 and M2 chips for Samsung 5nm next year.

[beezle]

Not sure why everyone counts Intel out. They still have an enormous war chest to use hire the best and brightest to get back on track.

Everyone also seems to forget that every time AMD has caught up to Intel in the past either AMD has itself stumbled and/or Intel again jumped forward.

[dannyw]

You really think Intel is only 2 years behind TSMC?

[nl]

It's probably a reasonable assessment based on what has been publicly stated.

Intel's 7nm process (which is equivalent of TSMC's 5nm, which just began production work) has recently been delayed into 2022[1]

[1] https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/intels-7nm-process-six...

[RobLach]

Intel 7nm line has non-economical yields and is effectively a failure. They’re backporting their 7nm designs on to older processes at huge penalty to buy time for a new approach while putting out a couple flagships on the 7n line at a loss for appearances.

At least that’s the word on the street.

[nl]

I think this is the 10nm process you are talking about here.

That's had a bunch of issues and is only now producing their premium mobile CPUs.

The 7nm issues aren't great but if it weren't for the 10nm disaster they aren't really more than normal slippage at this point. If it keeps slipping then they have problems.

[fomine3]

The problem is they delayed to develop process twice(14nm and 10nm), who believes next 7nm would come on schedule?

[varispeed]

Are they not delaying it year on year? I am pretty sure every time I read about 7nm of Intel over the years, it always says that it is just around the corner or it is delayed. I'd say the Intel 7nm doesn't exist nor is being worked on apart from slides.

[nl]

That's 10nm. The 7nm process was never scheduled to be ready yet.

[dragonelite]

What i have learned is that nm metrics are not related to size of things. But about the generation and characteristics of the process.

[ldiracdelta]

They should switch the density per mm^2 instead.