[leoh]

lol — have you tried to engage, in a serious way, with the JavaScript ecosystem? It is a _dumpster fire_ to produce anything that is reasonably as interactive and complex as an iOS Application.

I do agree, however, with the idea that some things ought _not_ be apps, especially things that are dead simple, for which it _truly is_ easier to develop a web application.

[emteycz]

Lol, seems like you haven't tried to engage with the web ecosystem in a serious way. Web apps with TypeScript and React/Vue/Svelte are the easiest, most productive way of making software that runs immediately anywhere, and the ecosystem has everything (don't forget about Wasm).

SwiftUI is nice, but needs a lot more years until it reaches the level of React.

Android libs are a joke.

(I write enterprise React applications last 6 years, and used to work with WinForms before that.)

[leoh]

This is totally untrue when you start building an application and care about superior interactivity and sophisticated UI/UX patterns

[emteycz]

Yeah, now I can see that you have indeed never really tried.

[leoh]

>Yeah, now I can see that you have indeed never really tried.

This is totally untrue!

I am open to the possibility, however, that I have been working with a challenging front-end codebase and that, on that basis, I may not have seen the best that JS has to offer. But in my experience — intermittently building toy iOS apps the last few years and having also built some production react apps in a large codebase (perhaps not a fair apples-to-apples comparison) — iOS has felt much more straightforward for creating apps with idiomatic UI/UX.

Forgive me if I came off as a bit glib. But I do tentatively, at least, still hold my original position; though am open to the possibility of being wrong!