[jordanab]

That's not true at all. There are tons of ZigBee/Z-Wave devices available, most notably the Philips Hue series. I have over 60 ZigBee devices in my house, and so do a lot of people that I know. Also you can expect the next-gen low-power devices to switch to the still in-development CHIP spec (Connected Home over IP), not WIFI.

[baybal2]

> That's not true at all. There are tons of ZigBee/Z-Wave devices available,

And they are being outsold 100-to-1 by noname WiFi based gear, which unlike them, works on day 1 — a thing most people want, hence the sales success.

Proprietary systems by far established a reputation for themselves as "doesn't work with anything, even itself."

WiFi is not a candy either, and for most people it means an increasingly mounting pile of one per-device apps, but that's definitely better than not having the device working at all after every homekit/google home update.

[leonsmith]

I would love to see some real sale stats if those claims are real? I have no idea how much they are supposidly outselling zigbee or z-wave devices.

From a purley anecdotal standpoint, you start with the wifi devices as they are low barrier to entry, (no hub required and normally comes with some sketchy 3rd part app); If you decide to go all in and buy more than a handful you naturally progress towards the zigbee/z-wave devices and ether a fully managed Proprietary "do it for me" system like SmartThings, or you go down the self managed route with HomeAssistant or OpenHAB.

[syshum]

Zigbee and Zwave are open protocols and work better than WiFi Devices which are more often Cloud Locked to their Vendor with no ablity for local control, even the integrations with HA are often API's to the vendors Cloud Servers not to the device itself

No if you want secure, local control of your home automation you want Zigbee and Zwave devices not WiFi.

There is a TON of these devices on the market, and not just ikea like your other post seems to suggest

[Semaphor]

> Proprietary systems by far established a reputation for themselves as "doesn't work with anything, even itself."

Hue works extremely well with a Hue hub. But it’s even better to get a non-proprietary hub to connect your devices.

[leonsmith]

Ditto, but with z-wave devices instead. What makes you think CHIP is the next standard thats up for mass adoption when there is a bunch of competition in this space, with the likes of Sidewalk from Amazon or Thread which I think is what Apple are rolling out to the homekit enabled devices?

[jordanab]

Amazon and Apple are both members of the CHIP working group. As far as I know, CHIP uses Thread as one of it's protocols (the other being a BLE derivative). Sidewalk uses WiFi, which is not very efficient for low-powered devices (eg. sensors, switch etc.)

[leonsmith]

Fair points! Looks like they are all memebers of eachothers working groups, no wonder the standards are a mess... https://xkcd.com/927/

[jordanab]

Well to be honest, I really like the open-source approach that they have decided on for the development of the standard. You can follow the development of it's reference implementation on the Github repo of the project: https://github.com/project-chip/connectedhomeip

[tzs]

Everyone using Comcast’s home security service has a bunch of them. The keypads, motion sensors, door sensors, and window sensors all use ZigBee.