[dzonga]

lifting a billion people out of poverty, would be a big achievment in terms of economic planning, logistics and resource planning. those are no small tasks. also while maintaining social integrity. yeah, the ccp takes away a lot of freedoms, but how would you do maintain a cohesive society ?

[bennysonething]

Why is would a cohesive society require removing freedoms? In fact that west has shown this needn't be the case.

[dzonga]

has the west shown this is the case ? or it's an illusion of freedom ? here in the US, people vote and elect officials etc. But to those officials pass laws that help the people ? hardly so, but instead pass laws that benefit corporations firstly over human people. As a black person, I can speak up against mass incarceration, but do I have power to end it, NO. That's the illusion of freedom. It's the illusion that all men are equal under law, but we know the law treats you differently based on wealth, skin color etc.

[_dibly]

>maintaining social integrity

>takes away a lot of freedoms

pick one?

[SwiftyBug]

In order for social integrity to be maintained we need to give up some freedoms.

[_dibly]

Well the freedoms being taken away in this instance involve throwing certain religious groups into labor camps, so maybe consider the context of the argument.