[tachyonbeam]

> I think people on the left generally assumes too much of people

I think it's perfectly legitimate to ask "what about the murderers, thiefs, rapists and criminal gangs? The obvious answer is that you need a police force. You can call it the flower-and-peace-corps if you want, but you need both enforcers and detectives to protect the population.

If what you mean is "reform the police", then don't call to "abolish the police".

[aaomidi]

No I mean abolish the police.

> The obvious answer is that you need a police force

Yes, you've been conditioned by society to assume that's the only answer to this. Again this is what I mean by people are uneducated about policing and state power.

[kjeetgill]

I suppose I have been conditioned. What are the other answers? I'm not sure I'm familiar with what the options here are.