[vizzier]

Social media from wikipedia [1]:

- Social media are interactive Web 2.0 Internet-based applications.

- User-generated content such as text posts or comments, digital photos or videos, and data generated through all online interactions, is the lifeblood of social media.

- Users create service-specific profiles for the website or app that are designed and maintained by the social media organization.

- Social media facilitate the development of online social networks by connecting a user's profile with those of other individuals or groups.

By these definitions, though in their own niches, pornhub and HN are certainly social media along with youtube.

[root_axis]

Wikipedia itself is a social media site too I guess. To me, these definitions seem way too broad, I don't think comments and profiles are sufficient to make something social media, and I think if social media includes sites like pornhub and HN then we need a more meaningful classification.

[krapp]

It's not that the definitions are broad, it's that many sites have been incrementally integration social media features over the years in the belief that doing so drives engagement, so the lines between what is and isn't social media (or what should and shouldn't be) have been intentionally blurred. Just as with literary or media genres, "social media" as a classification mostly exists as a marketing term, not science.

And I do believe forums count as social media, albeit a primitive version of it. Hacker News is social media. It has a culture, it has memes, it has gamification and dopamine loops.

[root_axis]

> Just as with literary or media genres, "social media" as a classification mostly exists as a marketing term, not science.

I agree there. I disagree with the idea that the incremental integration of "social media features" necessarily makes something a "social media" platform, and I think the semantic distinctions are important because there is a lot of discussion about the societal harms of "social media" and the types of laws that should apply to "social media", but I don't think a site like e.g. HN or pornhub are the types of sites people are talking about when they refer to those problems.

[krapp]

>but I don't think a site like e.g. HN or pornhub are the types of sites people are talking about when they refer to those problems.

Yes, when people talk about those problems, they're usually only referring to two or three sites (Twitter, Facebook and maybe Youtube) but those sites don't comprise all of social media. The issue is discussing "social media" as an entity rather than recognizing that the cultures and implementations of social media differ between platforms. Social media is just an umbrella term for any site that allows users to create and share content. And it exists on a spectrum, with simple forums and imageboards on one end to the complex, algorithmically driven big three at the other.

Otherwise, one could say that Pornhub could implement literally every feature that exists on Facebook and yet somehow still not be "social media" for no other reason than discussions of social media tending not to include Pornhub. The features are what make it social media.