[SV_BubbleTime]

The tweets said Krebs called it the most secure election in history.

I like Krebs, but how can an election with anyone on the voter rolls getting a ballot mailed to them possibly be the most secure ever? We are 100% certain our voter rolls are not entirely clean. I’m not saying there was voter fraud, but Kreb’s statement just seems odd. Best possible case, there was no chain of custody for ballots, so even if there were no issues or reasons to be suspicious, it just isn’t a great claim.

If you look at the Trump tweets (ugh), it says dead people voting, software glitches switching voters, and observers being unequally treated. I’m sure in tiny tiny doses thats all possible.

Should Krebs be fired just for saying the election was the most secure ever? Obviously not! ... but devil’s advocate, I don’t see how it could have been. We relaxed integrity requirements because of Covid, not increased them.

Edit: look how little room there is to step out of line, hmm

[atty]

There was also far more scrutiny of the entire process than there ever has been before, at least in recent memory. It’s possible that an inherently less secure but more vigilantly executed process can be better than a more foolproof method where everyone is just going through the motions.

Is that enough to make it the most secure ever? I’m not sure - but I wouldn’t rule it out completely.

[notRobot]

He didn't say it was the most secure election possible. He said it was the most secure election in USA history. There's a difference.

[SV_BubbleTime]

I wrote “in history” and “ever”. Where did I write “possible”?

Maybe he’s right and even with all the unsolicited sending to everyone on the rolls and having USPS handle them it was still more secure. IDK. Maybe someone can explain it?

[Pfhreak]

It can simultaneously be the case that everyone gets mailed a ballot AND it was the most secure election to date.

It's certainly not axiomatic that mail in voting has a higher rate of fraud than any other system.

Washington State is 100% mail in for years, and there's no evidence that things are any more fraudulent here than anywhere else, but it is much easier for people to vote.

[SV_BubbleTime]

In what ways was the election made more secure?

What states increased their voter integrity laws by means of legislature or policy or governor’s order?

I’m not being facetious. I looked for added regulations, I only found relaxed rules because of Covid. Now. What Covid does that means you can’t sign your ballot, IDK, separate topic.

[Pfhreak]

If it was made more accessible, but not less secure, then the rate of fraud is lower. More participants means the impact of fraud is lower if everything else stays the same.

I don't see any evidence that there was any reduction in "voter integrity". (Whatever that means.)

[SV_BubbleTime]

No. You aren’t talking security. You are talking about a rate of fraud. If I occasionally steal $5 from you sometimes when we meet, your solution to this isn’t to just meet up more and count the number of times I don’t steal from you as higher.

> I don't see any evidence that there was any reduction in "voter integrity".

Must not have looked very hard. PA, NV, WI, MT, GA, and others and others all changed their rules about curing, harvesting, signatures required, naked ballots allowed. Changes per state. In PA the big deal is that the Gov did this unilaterally, but the PA constitution clearly defines that voting laws are by legislature only, the gov did this under emergency powers.

If you aren’t aware that many states relaxed their voting requirements along with unsolicited mail voting - you need a new news source.

[m0zg]

Election so secure and so beyond reproach, that the largest county in Michigan refused to certify the results today. s/

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/17/w...

[nooron]

Hello, I have worked on campaigns in Detroit and throughout the state, so I have some clarity on the ways in which the city and the state’s elections can be fraught. If the supposed anomalies in voting patterns amounted to meaningful misconduct, the 2 GOP commissioners would not have certified Livonia, which experienced anomalies at a proportionately higher rate than Detroit. What you are sharing is evidence that the process has been increasingly captured by partisan interests, which is bad for everyone.

[m0zg]

Be that as it may, even you concede these were "anomalies". So Krebs sounds like a partisan hack to me. Some places are still counting ballots. Some are finding misplaced ballots, or "glitches" which just happen to always benefit Biden, and so on. Dead people voted. This is all fishy AF.

[nooron]

There are small and infrequently consequential anomalies in every election, in every state. A physical corollary of this fact is that most recounts at the statewide level result in perhaps ~100 ballots changing. That's because voter fraud in the US is very uncommon and does not demonstrate reliable partisan lean, and neither do alleged "glitches".

I cannot demonstrate from my keyboard that there are no cases of "dead people voted". It probably happens very infrequently. But I would note that in this election, at least some of these accusations have been proven inaccurate by diligent journalists.

I lived through listening to liberals whine about Diebold in 2004 in Ohio and through their complaints that Cambridge Analytica somehow stole the election in 2016. Both of these complaints were powered by motivated reasoning, and ultimately unfounded. Yours is too. I would evidence my claims by noting that the board just certified Wayne County.

[SV_BubbleTime]

> I would evidence my claims by noting that the board just certified Wayne County.

Is that the example you want to use?

Because on that Zoom call, Ned Steabler and Abraham Amiyah’s threatened the two withholding members, called them racists, and read the names of their children’s schools. Shortly after one of them changed their vote.

Yes, the two reversed their decision and certified with a request for an audit... but does that sound like good evidence for your point?

Regardless of how anyone feels about election fraud, I’m pretty sure the people doxing children are not doing the right thing.

https://streamable.com/yhl89p

and

https://mobile.twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1328969920...

Hooray for threatening women/children and mob rule?

[nooron]

If choosing to certify the more proportionately anomalous Livonia and not Detroit, disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of Black voters while accepting White voters, is not a form of racism, I don’t know what is. I don’t throw the word around lightly, but it is the right one in this context. I realize you’re unlikely to agree.

[belltaco]

They just certified it, the page that your link goes to has been updated.

[m0zg]

Actually, Trump just tweeted that they refused to sign the certification. This being Trump I don't know if it's true or not, but it is possible that they did not formally certify after all. In which case, kudos to them. Audit that thing first, then certify.

[m0zg]

From which we conclude that they are gullible idiots. They certified it on the condition that there will be an audit. There's not going to be audit if county has certified already. This does not change my point. With 70% of precincts showing unexplained anomalies, there are serious questions about fairness of this election.

Here's why it was certified: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6BFYOuCY_c. Race card, fire and brimstone, you're going to hell, he threw at them everything he had without disputing any of the facts. They folded like cheap suits.

[SV_BubbleTime]

That video is everything that’s wrong with this hyper partisan nonsense. Those are direct threats to officials.

[m0zg]

You should check out his Twitter account. He's a real piece of work.