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by jb1991 2046 days ago
Just because it is locked down, why is that the same as "renting"? Those are two very different concepts.
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Because you are not the ultimate decider of what to do with the machine. If you owned it, you could do anything outside of harm.
The whole concept of the machine is to be bought and optimized for running macOS.
I guess, but the "whole concept of the machine" that I'm typing this on was to run Windows... 7 (I think?); that's a completely artificial limitation, as shown by running Ubuntu on it years after the hardware went out of support.
I'm not sure what the problem is, then. You have a device that does what you (or the GP) want, which is to install any operating system, tinker, etc.

Is the worry that Apple and its practices will dominate the industry to the point that you literally will not be able to turn on your current machine and use it?

> Is the worry that Apple and its practices will dominate the industry to the point that you literally will not be able to turn on your current machine and use it?

I know you're joking, but I actually kind of am...

Apple has a tremendous amount of industry influence, just see removal of the headphone jack.

macOS deprecates support for Macs that are 5-7 years old with every release. I put Linux on them when new macOS releases no longer support them, and they're perfectly good machines afterwards.

When macOS deprecates support for these ARM Macs in 5-7 years, Linux isn't an option for them unless Apple puts in a lot of work to support a mainline Linux kernel on their hardware. Apple has said they won't support running other operating systems on these ARM Macs unless they're virtualized.

>When macOS deprecates support for these ARM Macs in 5-7 years, Linux isn't an option for them unless Apple puts in a lot of work to support a mainline Linux kernel on their hardware.

Why would Apple need to "put a lot of work in"? Apple doesn't support Linux on 86 either. Third parties did the Mac Linux ports for 86, and will do them for the ARM Macs.

The only thing Apple needs to do is to not lock the ARM Macs from booting another OS, which is very easy to do -- Apple doesn't need to invest lots of work to run Linux on ARM Macs, just needs not to prevent it.

Right, the point is that it didn't use to be that way exclusively and now it is, so the new machines are more restrictive than previous Macs, which also ran macOS.

In fact macOS itself is more restrictive nowdays than it used to be.

Apple could optimize their hardware and software without making the machine locked down. Those are somewhat orthogonal issues.
But renting implies you are continuing to pay money and will some day need to return it.
There's a direct parallel you can draw between software licensing and leasing.
But we’re not talking about software leases.
No, not necessarily. Renting just implies you're not the owner and need to follow someone's rules, (that of the actual owner), in order to make use of the rented item.

'Purchasing' a Kindle book or video on Amazon is also renting for example and yet it does not mean you have to continue paying and yet you don't own the copy as Amazon's going to decide how you're allowed to consume it and if they're going to let you keep it[1][2].

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle#Criticism

2 - https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/amazon-argues-user...

I don’t think purchasing a computer is the same thing as buying a movie from Amazon. The computer is always gonna be yours, and you can do whatever you want with it, even if Apple has made it very difficult to do so. But there are lots of objects in my house that would fall under that category as well, but I consider myself as their owner.