[hvdfhbj]

A better point would be that the current CCP regime in Beijing has no legitimate claim to be any kind of government with any legal claim over any territory whatsoever.

An unelected government is not a government, it's just a group of thugs who happen to have control over a capital city.

If China has any sort of legitimate government at all it's the one in Taiwan which was at least elected by somebody. But really, mainland China has no government, and the CCP should not be talked to or negotiated with as if they are a government.

[DiogenesKynikos]

There was a revolution in China. Many millions of Chinese people fought in it. It's not as if the Communist Party came to power by some accidental oversight.

Whether or not you like the government of the PRC, it is the government of China.

[zksjejwbs]

Your knowledge of history is so little that for you Washington is the guy who prints green notes.

Jokes aside if the legitimate government are only the elected one lets wipe 2/3 of the world's government lol.

Taiwan is a dispute territory because the kuomintang after they lost the civil war in China they moved to Taiwan and claimed the territory. Taiwan was not even a democracy after that but rather a military dictatorship with the martial law being applied till 1987 (from 1949, year in which they lost the civil war in China)

Only after that Taiwan started to open their system and allow general election in the 1990s (in some form in 1991, 1992 and presidential election only in 1996)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Taiwan

[hvdfhbj]

There's only a few dozen remaining completely unelected "governments" in the world, and yes, we should definitely get rid of all of them.

Certainly Taiwan never had a legitimate government either until recently but now they do, demonstrating that it can be done. I hope that the CCP can peacefully give up power too, but we should not take any military options off the table.

[Gupie]

Does Taiwan becoming a successful democracy mean that China can? Taiwan is a small homogenous island, China, and more clearly Russia for that matter, is an empire. I fear China would fragment probably in bloody civil war if central power were loosened.

[zksjejwbs]

Taiwan cannot be considered a legitimate government either as the premise of their existence is illegal as they've claimed a territory that didn't belong to them and established a country (supported by whose thinks that communist should not exist - remember North/South Korea, North/South Vietnam)

The fact that someone elected the government doesn't change anything. People can be manipulated easily, look at who voted for Trump. The reality is that you've to see the history objectively.

CCP won the civil war in China (like Washington won the independence war) and is the legitimate government of China.

Luckily we don't vote for who is legitimate or not in HN, but in the UN. And there are resolutions of the UN that consider the CCP the legitimate government of China. The same can't be said for Taiwan for example.

I'm sorry but the down votes don't change the fact. Your view of what happened is pretty foggy and inaccurate, perhaps full of bias.

[hvdfhbj]

Taiwan was originally not a country, but it became one when it held elections. Having been elected by the people of the island of Formosa, and with no other legitimate government laying claim to that territory, they became a legitimate government.

The fact that the CCP has a group of men with guns occupying China does not make them in any sense a government, it just makes them the world's largest and most murderous criminal gang. We should stop pretending that China has a government and start working on how to bring them to the Hague for trial.

[zksjejwbs]

I'm sorry you lack of basic knowledge.

Country is not defined by the existence of an election process! Taiwan is not recognized as a county by the UN! While the CCP is recognized as the legitimate government of China

Also China has been claiming control over Taiwan ever since they won the civil war, so is not true what you're saying here that nobody has claimed Taiwan.

> The fact that the CCP has a group of men with guns occupying China

Well.. first they were not a bounce of men with guns they had the support of millions of people in China! And the reason was pretty easy, the old government (that become the Komingtan) sold China to the west and Japan (look for Nanjing puppet state [1]) and they were not happy about it by any means! So yes, they had all the rights to start the revolution to fight a corrupted government.

But even if they were a bounce of random people, the Brits went in Australia with guns and all and claim "this is mine now" and as you can see nobody is complaining about it. Before that they went to the current American continent and claim the land as well with guns and all, guess who won?

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jingwei_regime