[bitmunk]

Literally right now there's a bunch of island nations that will probably not exist in 30 years. Many coastal cities are getting worse floods every year, having to invest billions in measures to protect themselves.

Every drought means conflict, they mean war, refugees and instability. Sure, the first world will be shielded from the worst for some time, but this isn't a Hollywood movie, the pressure will keep increasing every year exposing every flaw in the system.

Corona has shown that our world does not deal well with pressure and you can't make a vaccine for food insecurity.

[devthrowawy]

Yea I just don't care about any of that and I don't think that's wrong.

[knuthsat]

So if it's not your problem it's not a problem at all?

Nth order effects will make it your problem pretty quickly.

Many are blind to exponentially growing phenomena.

One good example is that a several degree increase can melt the Siberian ice and release methane stores equivalent to 100 years of maximal human CO2 footprint. That's already a massive nth order effect.

Sometimes problems are not that simple.

[devthrowawy]

Like I said, I just don't really care and it's not going to affect my life. I'm all for improving technology and efficiency and believe that it will never truly be a life threatening issue and it's foolish to sit around and be afraid of it. You say it's going to be my problem but how? What would that look like exactly? Maybe in 1000 years it would literally be a problem but by then through the natural course of technological evolution it will just not be a problem. If freeman dyson, a man who solved some of the hardest problems of the 20th century, can say that there is little scientific rogor in our models, estimation and understanding of our affect on climate change, why should I pretend like you know what you're talking about?

[knuthsat]

But do you understand his argument? I’m pretty sure he would not disagree with projected temperature increase or wet bulb temperature estimates. They are already being measured and confirmed.

I’m pretty sure he would also agree with the estimate for Siberian methane stores. He would just be careful with predicting what happens when they get released.

The average temperature increase can have different effects and that is one of the lines of his argument.

If you do not care about the issue and don’t want to hear opposing opinion then do not leave a comment.