[contravariant]

This is neither here nor there but Nobel Prize winner Gerard 't Hooft has written an opinion piece on wrong-way drivers in science who seem convinced that everyone else is going the wrong way [1] (it's in Dutch unfortunately, but then the Dutch the word 'spookrider' (lit. 'ghostrider') is a lot cooler than 'wrong-way driver' IMHO).

It's a concept that's somehow always stuck with me whenever I hear about people who seem convinced everyone else is wrong.

[1]: https://webspace.science.uu.nl/~hooft101/spookrijders.html

[jaggirs]

I think he is right. But I don't like his tone.

The whole writeup is a tantrum on why you should stick to "well known" facts. Which sounds to me too much like asserting the truth of things without questioning them. Yes, there are a lot of fools out there whith a spookrijder complex that are a detriment to science. And I would assume a well-known professor would rightly get tired of their emails.

He only shortly adresses at the end that radical ideas are precisely what is needed for progress in science.

I do not think this dismissive mentality does the situation any good. If someone comes with a radical but stupid idea, you need to first recognize the merit in the idea, and then show why it is wrong. Bashing someone with "you cannot create free energy" will only encourage him to waste his time trying to prove you wrong.

I suspect a lot of these spookrijders are curious and fairly smart people, but who's ideas where offhandedly dismissed by a teacher one too many times.

[codetrotter]

Yeah but sometimes it really is everyone else that is wrong. For example, when most people used to think the world was flat.

[bigbubba]

'Everybody' thinks RMS is wrong. He has the worst case of Cassandra's curse I've ever heard of.

But I think it tends to not work like this. Incidentally, the flat earth thing is mostly a myth; literate people have know the earth is round since the ancient Greeks figured it out. Columbus was ridiculed for thinking the Earth was smaller than it really is (his critics were right) and the only reason his trip didn't end badly for him is shear dumb luck in running into another continent in his quest to reach Asia the looooong way around.

[jacquesm]

Doubly lucky because if not for that continent he likely wouldn't have made it all the way, a trip about four times further!

[drilldrive]

What is RMS?

[detaro]

Richard Stallman

[GuB-42]

That educated people believed that the Earth was flat is largely a myth. Not only people knew the Earth was round since antiquity, but they also had a good idea about its diameter.

Heliocentrism was a bit more debated but for good reasons. Early heliocentric models were actually worse than contemporary geocentric models to calculate the motion of planets.

All that to say that "everyone else is wrong" doesn't happen often in practice, at least not among educated people. And when that happens, either the evidence is solid and it is generally well accepted or it is not, and there is no reason for others to accept it. The burden or proof is for the one who makes the claim.

To go back to heliocentrism, the reason it is the prevailing theory right now is because the model has been refined and now, it matches observation better than older models based en epicycles. It is not because of some philosophical reason about our place in the universe.

[0xdeadbeefbabe]

> That educated people believed that the Earth was flat is largely a myth.

And this is one of those rarer times that everyone is wrong who believes this myth, although maybe they are uneducated too.

All this is to say go team iconoclasm.

[jacquesm]

Spookrijder translates literally into ghostrider, which is a lot nicer than wrong-way driver.

The joke here goes that on the radio there is an all-bands emergency announcement about a ghostrider on A2, the main artery of the country, between Amsterdam and Utrecht.

In one of the vehicles on that road someone mutters 'A ghostrider? Bloody idiots, there's thousands of them!'.

[411111111111111]

The term ghost rider exists in english as well I think.

At least I could find several articles talking about ppl going the wrong way after searching for it + wrong direction.

I'm not a native speaker however