[rsanheim]

The tech corporate response may be one of the best avenues to actually apply any leverage against apple with this current situation. I've already heard of friends at big-tech companies where network admins are applying corporate wide VPN policies to block apple's ocsp.apple.com requests after the outage that happened yesterday and basically nuked productivity for hours. In some cases it meant engineers _could not_ deploy code due to an apple outage because `terraform whatever` wouldn't work, which is pretty outrageous.

[grey_earthling]

We're already used to being unable to deploy code due to a GitHub or NPM outage. I don't think this will persuade the corporate people with the money to invest in switching. By analogy, look at how many staff hours are wasted supporting IE.

[rsanheim]

I think there is a huge difference in these two things:

* I can’t work because a 3rd party we use for code hosting / dep management is down * I can’t work because my laptop literally can’t run any programs due to a poor security program installed and required by the laptop manufacturer