[mekster]

That freedom of Linux comes at a cost that people aren't paid to take care of the level of details other OS have.

Paying $100 for Windows seems like a better solution if you just want a working OS without a hassle.

And what premium do Mac hardwares have? It seems I paid what they deserved as I can't find anything better in the market. Even moreso now that M1 is out, it seems all Windows machines have premium.

[barumi]

> That freedom of Linux comes at a cost that people aren't paid to take care of the level of details other OS have.

What do you mean "take care of the level of detail"?

I can download Debian right now, install it on hardware in about 10min, and get everything to work rock solid without any hitch.

I can't say the same about either Windows 10 or macOS.

In fact, I had mojave crash and reboot more times in the last month than Ubuntu 18.04 since it was released, and mojave is preinstalled in its own target hardware, which is supposed to be high-end, while Ubuntu is installed on a cheap laptop that cost between a third and a fourth of my apple laptop.

What exactly do you mean by level of detail?

[mekster]

Maybe the desktop environment itself is fine but for third party apps I don't see $10 range nifty apps that boost productivity on Linux.

Half of the apps I use are on Linux as well but that won't get me to the productivity on macOS.

[read_if_gay_]

macOS I understand, but what machine do you have that Debian will work but Windows won’t?

[phkahler]

>> That freedom of Linux comes at a cost that people aren't paid to take care of the level of details other OS have.

>> Paying $100 for Windows seems like a better solution if you just want a working OS without a hassle.

I've been running Fedora for 15 years and haven't had any of those pesky Linux issues for at least 8 of those years. Meanwhile, I was issued a new Windows laptop at work just last week and it Sucks pretty bad. It's smooth and polished, but with all the advertising and "first ones free" preinstalled shit it feels a lot like Facebook rather than a computer. I'm glad its me-at-work being monetized and not me at home...

[washadjeffmad]

> working OS without a hassle

I can't help but think you meant, "I've accepted there's no real way to salvage and diagnose my computer when it breaks so reformatting it has become second nature. I always keep an up to date Win10 install USB ready, and I even have a second hard drive that I keep all my files on."

With Macs, you have to put up with MacOS and Apple (one big premium is lack of choice). It's also not that easy to self-administrate without MDM, and software options are relatively limited if you come from either Linux or Windows.

[jmnicolas]

Oh come on stop spreading the Windows 98 old stories. Windows 10 is a piece of crap spyware but it is stable.

[washadjeffmad]

We have >8K active Win10 workstations on our domain.

I wish you weren't wrong.

[jmnicolas]

I'm a software dev but since we're only 2 techies at work I also maintain about 40 Windows PC, 3 Hyper-V hypervisors (with something like half a dozen Windows server, the rest are Linuxes) and the printers.

If Windows 10 was unstable I should be swamped. But I spend more than 90% of my time on software dev.

And the machines are not new with fresh installs, I all migrated them manually from Windows 7.

[qz2]

They completely broke Alt-Tab in 20H2 so no, it's not.

[jmnicolas]

The unspoken rule didn't change because it's Windows 10: never install a fresh release of an OS right away (I'm still on 20H1). And judging by the comments I read here it's true for MacOS too.

FWIW I switched from XP to Vista 1 or 1.5 year after its release date. It has been a great OS for me, I never had a problem with it (except that it's then they started with the bullshit telemetry).

Of course YMMV, but since late Vista stability isn't a major issue anymore.

[mekster]

Never reinstalled Windows unintentionally at least for the part 10 years.

> software options are relatively limited

When was the last time you used macOS? I see the options limited on Windows rather and even moreso on Linux.

[bbojan]

If Windows is working for you "without a hassle", you must be using some version that us mortals can only dream of.

[mekster]

What hassle do you have these days?

Yeah, I don't use peripherals as it's only a gaming machine (I don't see other reason to use Windows) but it's working as intended for years.

[arvinsim]

I also don't get about this complaint about Windows. I had as much problems with as my Macbook...which is almost always never.

[eMSF]

Activation, for example. An activated and running Windows system can turn into a nagging SOB by something as simple as enabling a motherboard's Ethernet adapter in BIOS.

A level of detail I value is that none of that BS is baked into systems I use. Doesn't matter whether those who did not do so were paid for it or not.

[qazwse_]

Had this happen to me after installing a secondary SSD. Windows was deactivated, and wouldn't reactivate. I ended up having to use the Windows Restore tool before I could activate again. Having to reinstall all of your programs is never fun.

[Semaphor]

I didn’t even have to reactivate after changing my MB. I never had to reactivate an activated Windows 10 in general.

[mekster]

I had a new mobo broken in 1 week and replaced it with the same model and it ended up license being invalid despite the mobo being the exact same model.

I had to make a phone call since none of the methods Windows or the internet suggested worked and that phone literally took 30 min to reactivate my license again. That wasn't fun.

[def_true_false]

If only there was a way to get LTSC as a non-institutional customer and a way to activate it.

(wink wink)