Yes, I've worked with Jeff and I'm familiar with the post. In fact, Jeff was the one who first invited me to apply for a role at Google after our collaboration on the Angular mobile toolkit and it was great working with him :)
It's not easy to share such a personal story publicly. I'm sorry he had such experience and I'm not saying he does not have the right to be upset. He knows the best what he went through and how he feels.
I'm just saying that it's not correct to generalize and gave myself as an example for someone who can't relate to his experience.
Toxic and abusive people are not toxic and abusive with every single person. You might have not had the same experience, but pointing that out does not really help. The linked article cited many people who suffered the same, so it is an important thing for anyone who might want to be involved in Angular development to know.
Very positive response! It sounds like you don’t think there is any truth to what he is saying. That seems interesting given that he is not the only one saying it.
There's no way for me to know what happened without being part of the team back then. What I'm certain is that he had a bad experience which impacted him negatively and I'm sorry he had to go through this.
The only thing I'm saying is that it is not correct to generalize, giving myself as an example for someone who haven't experienced anything similar.
> It sounds like you don’t think there is any truth to what he is saying
I've no idea how you reached that conclusion given that the comment you're replying to says
>> I'm sorry he had such experience and I'm not saying he does not have the right to be upset. He knows the best what he went through and how he feels.
It’s very quite simple - Mgchev is careful to validate only Jeff’s feelings, and absolutely nothing else about what he says.
Indeed he goes on to make this clear: “The only thing I'm saying is that it is not correct to generalize”
This invalidates everything about Jeff’s piece except for his feelings, since the entire piece is an argument that there is a systematic problem with the team that other people have experienced too. There are tweets and quotes to support this.
Jeff does generalize, and he does reference other people who had similar experiences. Jeff’s entire reason for writing the piece is to generalize. He doesn’t say ‘I’m sure this is just me’. He argues quite the opposite.
If it is ‘not correct to generalize’ - as Mgechev says, then Jeff must be wrong about there being a problem with the team, therefore Mgechev does not believe Jeff.
Mgechev also says they “can't relate to his experience”. They also make no reference to (or validate) any of the other people who apparently had similar experiences or views of the team.
It’s pretty reasonable to conclude that Mgechev doesn’t think there is a problem with the team and wants to convey that to us.
The author brings his own toxicity by a) trying to milk his relationship with the angular team (he hated working with so much!) on twitter and b) making inappropriate and confusing jokes about an unpleasant topic (would he be allowed at that summit despite being a conaultant?). Igor and him just seem to be a really bad mix.
This could be true if it wasn't for many, many other former members of the Angular team confirming it's a problem. There's a very long list of core team members who quit.
It's not easy to share such a personal story publicly. I'm sorry he had such experience and I'm not saying he does not have the right to be upset. He knows the best what he went through and how he feels.
I'm just saying that it's not correct to generalize and gave myself as an example for someone who can't relate to his experience.