[fatheart]

I know zero about Benford's law, there is at least one argument that the available data is not sufficient or does not lead one to believe voter fraud occurred:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wmebane/inapB.pdf

I will be watching for more information on this subject.

Poll watchers weren't let in to the Michigan facility because Republicans (and Democrats) had already exceeded the maximum number of allowed poll watchers.

Biden didn't receive 138k votes to Trump's zero. That was a typo which was immediately corrected.

Poll workers do transcribe votes from damaged ballots. One poll worker reads votes from the damaged ballots, another fills in the new ballot. Of this team of two, one is a Democrat, one is a Republican. The videos of this process that some people shared crops out poll watchers.

I agree that if poll watchers were not allowed to adequately perform their functions in any state that is not acceptable. It is not evidence of fraud.

[sleepysysadmin]

>I know zero about Benford's law, there is at least one argument that the available data is not sufficient or does not lead one to believe voter fraud occurred:

Well you made the argument that I have been widely debunked.

>http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wmebane/inapB.pdf

Very interesting to have a paper written up already. I don't actually see the rebuttals other than 'everyone knows that's not useful'. Also interesting how he has discovered problems when republicans won. I'm not seeing the content to tackle myself.

>Poll watchers weren't let in to the Michigan facility because Republicans (and Democrats) had already exceeded the maximum number of allowed poll watchers.

Not how the rules are set. Michigan threw out all republican challengers(yes wearing a white halloween mask is probably inappropriate, but did every single one of the other republican poll watchers have mask violations or say racist terms. Not likely.) and then locked out all watchers. There are no limits as per the rules. Now let's say it was just limits, why block up the windows? Let the people record through the windows?

The problem is the perception.

>Biden didn't receive 138k votes to Trump's zero. That was a typo which was immediately corrected.

While I understand Vox or NYTimes outright assert that this never happened; yet NYtimes had graphs which showed the bump that was not removed. NYTtimes took down the graphs. The bump did happen, they are walking it back as 'typo'

How about the other 'software glitches' that benefitted Biden. Counties which have voted heavily Republican throughout history supposedly voted heavily biden. I guess it's certainly possible there was that much swing.

But now circle back. Poll watchers, of which there are no limits on numbers or qualifications, were not allowed in that building.

The problem is the perception. An awful lot of reasons to distrust the results.

>Poll workers do transcribe votes from damaged ballots. One poll worker reads votes from the damaged ballots, another fills in the new ballot. Of this team of two, one is a Democrat, one is a Republican. The videos of this process that some people shared crops out poll watchers.

That's not at all what happened is the point being made and there were no observers. You have a pretty precarious situation here.

>I agree that if poll watchers were not allowed to adequately perform their functions in any state that is not acceptable. It is not evidence of fraud.

That's the new thing by the news. "Trump has provided no evidence" how exactly can you provide evidence when the observers were removed from the process? The observers are the people who provide the evidence. That's why both sides agree there should be practically no limits on observers.

That's the fraud. Interesting also how we went from my points being mostly debunked to basically be all correct.

[fatheart]

Where were all Republican poll watchers thrown out? I see no one claiming that.

The county officials where the 138k typo happened reported it as such.

Who says poll watchers weren't present where the mail transcribing videos were recorded?

Where is there no limit on the number of poll watchers allowed inside counting facilities?

[sleepysysadmin]

>Where were all Republican poll watchers thrown out? I see no one claiming that.

I claimed that and provided a video showing that is the case. In addition to the windows being cardboarded up.

I can provide examples from Philly for example as well.

There are many many examples like this: https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/13236158344559943... 8am Nov 3rd you can see poll watcher being denied entry.

Another place in Philly: https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/13236497691353169...

Or how about when you do get inside the building: https://twitter.com/mikeroman/status/1323605665882013696

>The county officials where the 138k typo happened reported it as such.

Right, kind of rehashing the issue. They now claim that it was a typo. Any and all "typos" like this is not up to the officials to "report" in this case it would be the Michigan Republican party who is required to claim and acknowledge the typo. Transparency is very important.

>Who says poll watchers weren't present where the mail transcribing videos were recorded?

I do believe the answer is the Republicans?

>Where is there no limit on the number of poll watchers allowed inside counting facilities?

At the end of the day we are kind of rehashing the same points. Trump is a child who incites and inflames people. He very much energized the Democrats and made the situation a huge amount of frustration and desperation. Was there fraud? Let's be realistic, there was. Will it be discovered? Almost certainly not. Will Biden be president? You betcha.

The problem is that the political divide over the last 10 years has been widening and it isn't the republicans. The lack of transparency and huge number of inconsistencies that appear to be an unfair election is going to result in the republicans moving. The divide is increasing because of the perception.

[fatheart]

Two individual examples is a far cry from all Republican watchers being thrown out.

In the video you linked no one is thrown out, they are kept out.

Of course fraud happens, but plenty of studies show that it so rare that races need to be very tight for it to affect the outcome.

I agree that transparency is an issue, but ballot counting are state and county or township run operations. You can expect a lot of inconsistencies and mistakes. I'm sure you've heard Hanlon's razor.

Political divide is the problem, which is why I have issue with your post. You're repeating a lot of the baseless claims that are furthering the divide.