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by nefitty 2051 days ago
I think the point is that it should be mentioned in the media in general, not specifically here on HN.
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Indeed. For bad news, e.g. crime, the (German) media takes great care to mention whether suspects or convicts are immigrants or of direct immigrant descent. Attaching this information to good news is done less frequently but would be required to paint a more realistic picture.
That is news to me. German police and media normally go to great length not to mention names/personal information of suspects (and victims), a crass difference to the US.
Until 2017 this actually was a rule (not a legally binding, just the "honor code") for media, but this got changed after the AfD and other Nazis whined for years that police and media would not "tell the truth" about migrant crimes, "suppress" or "hide" them (https://www.migazin.de/2017/03/24/presserat-aendert-richtlin...).

A very sad day for our society.

Indeed.

Every time the AfD is mentioned, I have to remember this: https://politicalbeauty.de/mahnmal.html, and it makes it a little bit better.

Are you saying that facts should be suppressed because someone might use them the wrong way? Serious question.
Journalism should report the relevant facts to a case. And the nationality/ethnicity/skin color rarely is a relevant fact in a criminal case, with the notable exception of racist-motivated or ethnic conflict (e.g. Kurds vs Turks) crimes.

For "everyday" crimes, think of pub brawls, petty theft, robberies, sexual misconduct of all forms, the ethnicity is absolutely irrelevant and its mention by police/media is only likely to further racial hatred.

Would you like to also know if a perpetrator was left-handed or ginger or blood type A?

No. Because that doesn't matter. Just as ethnicity doesn't matter. Criminal is a criminal.

Governments are able to choose which nationalities are allowed entry via immigration policy.

Some might find criminal representation very relevant to that policy decision. Perhaps you do not. That’s certainly your prerogative. But outright denying the relevance is absurd.

If it turns out left handed people are significantly overrepresented in crime statistics, then yes, that would be interesting to know. Either something is wrong with the system or with left handed people. This notion of withholding information from voting adults just because it doesn't further a particular social engineering agenda is repulsive to be honest.
But we're discussing an article that specifically calls out the researchers ethnicity and the fact they are immigrants.

Or are you saying we should only talk about a person's ethnicity when it's in a positive light?

Maybe this article should have just said "a German husband-and-wife dream team"?

Well, your personal information are facts too. Would you like them posted? As long as the crimes are only alleged, not proven, there is no question to me that the interest of the people at large is second to the privacy protection of the suspects.
Not personal information, but country of birth or nationality.
Which is personal information. But I don't think they write it that often. The reverse has become a meme on right-wing forums: "tHeY dOn'T SaY tHere[sic] NAme so We NOw[sic] wHich RaCE iT Is".
Fear of Turkey joining the EU was a significant factor in the Brexit campaign:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/dominic-cummings-how-the...

And now with Turkey vs France thingy, it seems pretty unreasonable to think that turkey would really join right?

Don't member states have veto powers?

"Turkey has been moving further away from the European Union. Turkey’s accession negotiations have therefore effectively come to a standstill and no further chapters can be considered for opening or closing and no further work towards the modernisation of the EU-Turkey Customs Union is foreseen."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_Eur...

That the initial comment was downvoted tells me that it should be mentioned more on HN, too, to be honest. It's quite disappointing to see.