[Ericson2314]

I don't find myself patching stuff all the time, and would hate to go back to half-assed leaky-abstraction kludges like Ansible.

But I do agree we need to deal with the language-based packaging situation much better. It's a long-standing project of mine to fix that.

[k32]

> I don't find myself patching stuff all the time, and would hate to go back to half-assed leaky-abstraction kludges like Ansible.

Speaking of half-assed kludges, NixOS itself is a held together by duct tape of scripts patching shebangs and whatnot.

[Ericson2314]

Those are kludges, but they are nicely confined to build time.

The deployed system is very easy to reason about, which I greatly appreciate with my laptop and production environments.

(In addition to trying to support the language-based ecosystems better, I also want to reduce the things we do in bash. I think those are complimentary goals, too.)