[kalipso]

Oh man, can cannot emphasize enough how much i don't care about this.

"The traditional disciplines of engineering—civil, mechanical, aerospace, chemical, electrical, environmental—are civic professions as much as technical ones. Engineers orchestrate the erection of bridges and buildings; they design vehicles and heavy machinery;"

so what? Traditions change, names change, everything changes, software engineers will be called engineers and no one cares if they build bridges or not. I can tell you if i connect a xmpp service to some twitter account i also built a bridge. so software engineers do build bridges! And talking about "tradition" in a digital revolution is also weird, because right now everything is changing and nothing will be like before. This wolrd will never be the same as 1960, so why stick to old naming convetions anyway. This article is nothing but time-wasting, sorry if i offend someone with that but it is my honest opinion.

[treeman79]

Places like IBM, and Microsoft would benefit immensely if government certification was required.

[walshemj]

Right that's going to work well NOT - you know a lot of climbing he greasy pole is not what you know its who you know.