[synnejye]

> Inflation literally is money printing. Price increases is not inflation. Price increases can be caused by inflation. Prices can remain nominally the same while money supply has increased.

Well, in today's world it is. Yes, not according to your 'old-school' definition of it. But if anyone says "inflation" today - it means price increases. Nothing more, nothing less.

> The prices while having not risen nominally are still artificially inflated. Care to explain?

> It is just the economy. If you are referring to a recession, printing money during a recession arguably may not cause prices to rise nominally, but it artificially inflates them.

Yes, I meant a recession. Please, once again, elaborate what you mean by "artificially inflated prices"?

> During a recession prices typically go down due to falling demand. This is a good thing. It allows people who are suffering to enjoy lower prices.

Ehh, ok. So what happens to those people when companies start making less money?

> Recessions are a healing process for a previous period of misallocation of resources.

Care to explain how resources are "misallocated"?

> Money printing only serves to exacerbate and extend the misallocation.

Lol, no it doesn't. Sounds like a neoclassical fairytale. In a recession, you are arguing that one shouldn't print money, because it only "extends misallocation". Please explain me a proper allocation and a misallocation. Makes no sense. Newly printed money would add demand - as it should. It would create jobs and have nothing to do with "misallocation", That "misallocation" sounds like a conservative argument. No one can explain or prove it, or even make sense of it, but if you keep repeating it, then people will believe it.

> We left the gold standard because we were afraid to deal with the recession from the spending of '60s No, America left it because it was a shit system. Capitalism is inherently monetary. Having a currency pegged hinders growth and only serves to avoid inflation for the rich. Rentier capitalism doesn't like inflation.

[ghastmaster]

> Well, in today's world it is. Yes, not according to your 'old-school' definition of it. But if anyone says "inflation" today - it means price increases. Nothing more, nothing less.

Apparently you are correct. The vast majority of people hear the term and think of price increases. As I noted earlier, the definition has changed. I gather most of my economic understanding from Austrian School economists which when referring to inflation usually mean increase in the money supply.

> Care to explain?

> Yes, I meant a recession. Please, once again, elaborate what you mean by "artificially inflated prices"?

When a recession happens there is a decrease in demand for products and services. This drop in demand causes an increase in supply of those same products and services. The increase in supply causes prices to fall. When the government releases more cash into the market, the supply of cash is increased. When people have a larger supply of cash, they can pay more for goods and services. If the cash infusion is at a certain level, prices may not increase nominally(compared to before a recession) because the increased supply of money prevented their drop. The term artificial refers the fact that the money supply is increased or decreased by government fiat. Hence, the prices are increased or decreased by government fiat. Government involvement in the market is artificial. Markets exist without government and with governments. When a business or person is making decisions based on market dynamics and a government steps in to alter the dynamics, that is artificial, because it is produced by a political agency. It is not a natural quality of the market.

> Ehh, ok. So what happens to those people when companies start making less money?

When these people and companies make less money, that is offset by the decreased price of goods and services. Companies pay less for material because demand has gone down, this allows them to continue to employ people and be competitive and profitable. There will be temporary imbalances of course, which will result in job losses and business closures.

> Care to explain how resources are "misallocated"?

> Money printing only serves to exacerbate and extend the misallocation.

Misallocation refers to capital that was directed to unprofitable sectors of industry at a macro and micro scale. Assume for a minute that government is not involved in the market at all. When businesses compete, they make different decisions on how many people to hire, equipment purchases, material acquisition, debt level, and many other things. They have decided where to "allocate" these resources(labor, capital). When one company makes a bad decision this can lead to less profit and eventually the failure of the business. If enough businesses make these bad decisions, a large portion of the resources have been "allocated" to sectors or markets that are unprofitable. They may survive for a time before one starts failing, then another, and another. This is what causes a recession in a market that is not influenced by government. As the recession progresses to the end, there are less businesses competing that have "misallocated" their resources.

When governments print money and allow business unfettered access to this money via low interest rates, companies take advantage of it. Because they have more money than their competitor they can pay more money for materials, labor, equipment. They can lower prices of their goods or services to temporarily out compete their competitors. When other businesses see what is going on, they secure more of the cheap debt as well. For a time, the businesses that make poor decisions(paying too much for labor/materials/equipment) can still compete because they have not ran out of cash. When the loan balance becomes too high, we reach a scenario where businesses start cutting back to pay the interest and principle. They start increasing product prices, cut labor, sell equipment. Due to the fact that the government has increased the amount of money available to these companies beyond what they normally would have, the government increased the amount of "misalloctated" resources. Coupled with companies en masse gathering debt to stay competetive, this results in a larger recession, because a larger percent of the market is based on capital that was acquired through fiat rather than competition. Companies and individuals enter this new recession with larger balances and larger portions of their cash balance is subject to interest payments. This means the selloff of equipment must be larger, labor cuts must be larger, and material acquisition costs must be reduced to a greater extent. This results in a greater recession or depression. The money printing exacerbated and extended the misallocation.

> No, America left it because it was a shit system. Capitalism is inherently monetary. Having a currency pegged hinders growth and only serves to avoid inflation for the rich.

Please explain. How does pegged(commodity) dollar hinder growth, given the history of the US dollar peg and substantial economic growth? Avoids inflation for the rich?

[synnejye]

> When the government releases more cash into the market, the supply of cash is increased. When people have a larger supply of cash, they can pay more for goods and services. If the cash infusion is at a certain level, prices may not increase nominally(compared to before a recession) because the increased supply of money prevented their drop.

So how is that a bad thing? You keep demand high and you keep companies from LOSING money, ie., they keep people employed.

> Markets exist without government and with governments.

Maybe, maybe not. But it sure is a shitty market without a government. If governments don't set up regulations, rules, and intervene, you're pretty fucked. I could easily be a big scammer then.

> When a business or person is making decisions based on market dynamics and a government steps in to alter the dynamics, that is artificial, because it is produced by a political agency. It is not a natural quality of the market.

Okay. So you are saying markets should rule and the people should not have a say in what is going on the country? Why is it bad other than you don't seem to like government?

> Companies pay less for material because demand has gone down, this allows them to continue to employ people and be competitive and profitable.

But you need to think in cycles. As you state yourself:

> There will be temporary imbalances of course, which will result in job losses and business closures.

This will lead to a recession if the government doesn't intervene. As observed, in reality, capitalism works in cycles. Up and down. What happened when we had the sort of capitalism that you want? A depression. The depression wasn't solved before government stepped in during WWII to increase demand. Magically waiting for demand to pick up aint gonna happen.

> Misallocation refers to capital that was directed to unprofitable sectors of industry at a macro and micro scale. There is no such thing as misallocation. In real life, people set up businesses because they believe they can start a company that is profitable. Some people set up businesses where they think they can create a demand for their product or service, others set up knowing that demand is pretty much there. If you cant sell your product or demand isn't there, the company goes bankrupt. It didn't work. A new company will start somewhere else, where the workers are needed. So are the ways of capitalism.

> When governments print money and allow business unfettered access to this money via low interest rates, companies take advantage of it...

Let me stop you there. I am not talking about money printing in the form of debt. I am talking about debt-free money printing which the government has the capability to do.

> Please explain. How does pegged(commodity) dollar hinder growth, given the history of the US dollar peg and substantial economic growth? Avoids inflation for the rich?

"So, on every score, the gold standard period was less stable. Prices were less stable; growth was less stable; and the financial system was less stable."

and more importantly:

"(...) The loss of gold forced the deficit country’s central bank to shrink its balance sheet, reducing the quantity of money and credit in the economy, and driving domestic prices down. Put differently, under a gold standard, countries running external deficits face deflationary pressure. A surplus country’s central bank faced no such pressure, as it could choose whether to convert higher gold stocks into money or not. Put another way, a central bank can have too little gold, but it can never have too much."

"This brings us back to where we started. Under a gold standard, inflation, growth and the financial system are all less stable. There are more recessions, larger swings in consumer prices and more banking crises. When things go wrong in one part of the world, the distress will be transmitted more quickly and completely to others. In short, re-creating a gold standard would be a colossal mistake."

https://www.moneyandbanking.com/commentary/2016/12/14/why-a-...

Since the currency is pegged, it will constrict the supply of money. When production increases, but the money supply is constant, it will create deflationary pressure. Deflationary pressure = prices fall. Prices falling = recession. So whenever the economy was growing, the gold standard made sure to halt that growth by letting prices fall and introducing fiscal austerity.

So why does this system fit the rentier class? Well. If you have a high inflation, then assets will deliver smaller returns over time. And the rich don't live on wages, but assets like stocks, land, property, bonds etc. If you are only getting 3% on a loan/bond, and the inflation is 3%, then in the end, you get 0.