[alkonaut]

Drunk drivers and human mistakes are two things I accept in traffic (or rather - laws and human behavior both show we don’t accept them). It’s factored into my risk.

And FSD isn’t orders of magnitude safer. They are barely as good as human drivers and only in some conditions.

For the worst situations they aren’t comparable at all (since they won’t drive at all)

This must be repeated over and over for some reason: people will never accept self driving cars that are just as good or bad as human drivers. Nor should we. It’s a much too low bar.

Self driving cars will need to be orders of magnitude safer than human drivers to be even remotely acceptable.

[pixelbash]

If it's consistently as good as an average human that's still better than an average human. That's because robots don't get tired, hungover, angry, bored, drunk, or get an eyelash in their eye at a really bad time.

[alkonaut]

Yes. But again people won’t accept that. People will rather be killed more often by drivers that feel guilt, go to prison, have strokes or poor eyesight than less often by a machine that does not have all of those flaws but also none of the feelings and responsibilities.

[mokus]

I’d be thrilled if self-driving cars could meet that bar, because then I can feel at least as comfortable napping in the car as I do driving it. And unlike humans, I have the expectation that my car learns when other cars crash, so I have a lot of reason to expect that once the system rolls out it will continue to improve.

I hate almost everything about Tesla and their business model but the idea of full automatic driving, once vetted to even a bare minimum level of approximate human parity, is enough to make me consider one anyway.