[fastball]

Statistically not though. That's just the news making you feel that way.

The US has one of the lowest case fatality rates in the world for COVID-19[1]. As far as I'm aware, none of those other things you mention have increased dramatically under the current admin, except as they relate to COVID and lockdowns, which the entire world is unfortunately experiencing, not just the USA. It is certainly strange to pin coronavirus side-effects on the POTUS when you look at how the rest of the world is faring.

The US also remains one of the least likely countries on earth where you will lose a loved one to a healthcare disaster (even before the ACA) – quality of care in America is one of the highest in the world.

[1] http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

[jjeaff]

Case fatality rate is the one metric that has almost nothing to do with leadership. America is fairing well in that metric because we have good doctors and good technology and good facilities.

All the other metrics, infection rates, testing, contact tracing, reflect partially on the administration. And we are not fairing well, comparatively on any of those metrics.

[fastball]

The US is a federation of states, and generally internal matters (like stopping the spread of a virus in your state) are not the purview of the executive branch. It's hard to blame the president when it is not equally bad across the board, for example if you have some cities like NYC which manage to contribute 10% of all COVID deaths in the US so far.

When it comes to things that typically are the purview of the executive branch, I think I remember the US being the first country in the G20 to restrict travel from China, among other things, and then the POTUS was called xenophobic by various people for pointing the finger where it deserved to be pointed (China, who was the very first to downplay the virus and pretend everything was hunky dory while it really wasn't).

I'm not a fan of Trump, but if you are placing the blame for coronavirus on him you are more than a little misguided. In all honesty, watching Democrats use people who died of COVID as political props by trying to pin their deaths on Trump is one of the shittiest things I've seen this year, and it's been a crap year.

[triceratops]

> The US is a federation of states, and generally internal matters (like stopping the spread of a virus in your state) are not the purview of the executive branch.

These states aren't islands though - they mostly share land borders, freeways connect them, and people freely travel between them every day. The virus doesn't know state borders. If the federal government can insert itself into random state affairs by citing the interstate commerce clause, I don't see how it can wash its hands of responsibility for this debacle.

[jjeaff]

Nearly every public health expert and virologist and other related expert I have seen has said the administration has done a terrible job.

Shutting down travel to China was only a partial shutdown and was about the same time that 40 other countries shut down travel.

Much of the early infections were thought to have come in through europe anyway.

Inconsistent messaging, disagreement with their own scientific leadership, disagreement with scientific reality, willingness to promote unproven theories and treatments, and most of all, inability to course correct when new information becomes available are all reasons the Trump admin has done a terrible job and is quite responsible.

[nine_zeros]

> Statistically not though. That's just the news making you feel that way.

I am not only looking at statistics to comfort myself. I am also looking at leadership and the direction of this ship, just like the way I would evaluate a potential employer.

Working a job at a sinking, chaotic ship with NO DESIRE to improve sucks. America's leadership, government and 50% of the population who'd cheer the crazy captain at the expense of the ship are exactly that.

No amount of past statistics can change the present reality.

[fastball]

I’m using current statistics.

How exactly is the ship sinking?

[nine_zeros]

> How exactly is the ship sinking?

I genuinely don't understand if this question is legit. Are you seriously living under a rock?

Covid: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Unemployemnt: https://www.dol.gov/ui/data.pdf

Lifexpectancy: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-lif...

Education: https://hechingerreport.org/what-2018-pisa-international-ran...

Deficits (please pay attention to Republican terms vs Democratic terms) https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/defic...

US incarceration rate: https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08...

And I'll leave US racism, US supreme court politics, US voter suppression as an exercise (an exercise that I'm not sure you will pass since you appear to think America has been just fine lately)

[fastball]

Again, none of those things have become noticeably worse under the current presidential administration than any other in the last couple decades, except as related to COVID, which again, is skewing every nation on earth's stats, not just the US. Have you looked at the COVID / unemployment / life expectancy stats for other countries?

For everything else, are we looking at the same stats?

Deficit: higher under Obama than it was under Bush / has been under Trump.

Incarceration rates: continuing to decrease during Trump's term.

Education: yeah, America's is pretty terrible. But that's been a trend for a long time, Trump has nothing to do with it.

The news is making you think things are worse than they actually are. Take a break from it.

[nine_zeros]

Please don't cherry pick select stats and your graph reading needs some brushing up.

The fact that current administration is doing NOT-A-THING to improve anything should be reason enough to vote him out.

But the fact that he has made education worse, deficits larger, demonstrated incompetent handling of crisis, escalated race relations back to civil wars era, actively encouraging voter suppression just makes me wonder what really makes those supporters so ignorant. Maybe blind faith is more powerful than one believes.

(And all I talked about was only done in 1 year, I could go back and each year was bad).

We have turned into some third world country where injustice, incompetence and corruption are routine and people just turn a blind eye.

And I have loved ones who have been affected from this administrations policies. It must be easy to say everything you said when it doesn't directly affect you. But we are all real people who are getting impacted with this hateful incompetence.

[fastball]

I didn't cherry pick stats. I pointed out that a number of them are being affected by a GLOBAL PANDEMIC which the rest of the world is currently suffering from too. The ones that have any hope of being separated from that I talked about. If we want to talk about those other stats relative to how the rest of the world is doing on them, I'm happy to do that too. But anything else is unbelievably disingenuous.

My graph reading needs brushing up? Do you know which years Obama was president? Are you reading the same graph (the one you linked) that I am? The deficit was larger in Obama's presidency in multiple years than it has been at any time in Trump's.

What policies have affected your loved ones? I'd love to talk about them.

How did Trump make education worse? Explicitly please.

How has Trump encourage voter suppression?

In Trump's presidency, there was the lowest black unemployment rate there has ever been. How exactly is it his fault that "race relations" are in the toilet? Did he shoot unarmed black men? Did he applaud it? Has his repeated denouncement of White Supremacy[1] not been good enough for you? The fact that you think race relations are EVEN CLOSE to what they were in the fucking Civil War era makes this the dumbest conversation I've had on the internet this month.

Seriously, stop reading the news, it's rotting your brain.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAfw4bmtxrE