[eloff]

You're getting down-voted because trump derangement syndrome. But it's true. No President has taken a harder line on China and the CCP. If you're in the US and you want to do something about the CCP, probably the most effective thing you could do is vote Trump. And I'm saying this as liberal who can't stand Trump.

If that's effective for the long-term future and prosperity of the US, which is also important to counter the CCP - I don't know.

[spaetzleesser]

Maybe Trump has started changes for the better. Let's hope. My personal worry is that he (and the US in general) is mainly about business and will ignore the human rights abuses as long as the money is right. The friendly position towards Saudi Arabia seems to indicate that.

[eloff]

Yes, to be fair I don't think he's being tough on China for humanitarian reasons. Nevertheless, I would say the outcome here matters more than his motivation.

[_-david-_]

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason is better than not doing anything, even if it is just temporary.

[gremlinsinc]

As a leftist, who hates biden AND trump (almost equally) and voted green but almost voted Biden (i'm not in a swing state), I see Trump as a catalyst for change, I wanted him to win to unite people on the left to move more left, and upturn neoliberalism (looks like it's working), however - I'm changing my tune a tiny bit, namely because of covid and how that's going down. I don't think Trump can handle fixing this, and I honestly think we're in over our heads as it is.

We really need UBI, stimulus, healthcare reform, and as much as I hate to say it Biden is the closest we get to that. But, vote who you feel is good and safe, I voted green. I'm not gonna vote shame anyone.

Just when you vote think about all that's coming : Global Warming, Water Wars (already started in Mexico), Droughts, More Fires, Covid, Covid part 2, Income inequality raised a factor or two, joblessness, homelessness for millions, protests, uprisings, etc... Next two decades will make or break us.

TLDR: Trump probably would be best against china, and if that were the only issue facing us, it might be good enough reason to go against the grain, but there's so much shit hitting the fan now, maybe we do need change.

[throw51319]

What kind of fool would vote 3rd party in an election with the gravity of this one?

This isn't the time to make some symbolic stand, it's time to vote Trump out - if that's what you believe in.

[spaetzleesser]

I am making a stand to not support either of the corrupt big parties in the US. I can't vote for one guy only because the other guy is bad. The democrats should have put up a candidate people actually want to vote for. They didn't do that either in 2016 or 2020. Not being Trump is not a good program.

[eloff]

Do the Democratic party have their collective heads in the sand? What were they thinking putting forward Biden.

If they lose this election it's because they threw it. All they had to do was field anyone in good health (Biden isn't) who wasn't widely detested and they would have had it in the bag.

The party system in the US leaves so much to be desired.

[throw51319]

Hey I liked Buttigieg. But the whole point is the party system creates a coalition. Who better represents your worldview? Vote for that person.

Trump's worldview is destructive and idiotic, so then vote for his opponent.

[throw51319]

Biden is fine, he'll return decision-making to normalcy and be a one term President. Then we can try 2 new candidates in 4 years. Imagine the next 4 years with Biden and then with Trump. Which one seems less erratic and dangerous?

Your point is being wasted, and another 4 regressive years of Trump all because you wanted to make a point that won't be heeded or come through at all.

How about the 3rd parties field a candidate people actually want to vote for? Not some fringe ideology.

[spaetzleesser]

For a 3rd party to be able to get a sustainable foothold the election system probably has to change. The hurdle is just too high. Personally I think a certain number of seats in the house should not get assigned by winning districts but by countrywide votes. For example, if you get 5% of the votes, you get some seats. Having more parties would force the big parties to compromise.

As far as the democrats go, my prediction is that they will find another uninteresting candidate in 2024 and keep standing for nothing. Maybe its's Pelosi's turn?