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by amb23 2061 days ago
Acceleration stats aside, SUVs are, statistically, much more likely to kill more people--pedestrians and riders alike--than other types of cars. The increasing popularity of SUVs is one of the main reasons behind the rise in pedestrian deaths in the past decade. Given their bulk, they also cause slower traffic in general. Their popularity is a lose-lose for drivers (and everyone else trying to get around) at the end of the day.

I have mixed feelings about this car: on the one hand, it does give me hope that mainstream consumers who are attracted to trucks and SUVs will start to accept EVs as the standard, and the brand cache will accelerate EV adoption overall. It's also a pretty darn cool car; they did a great job with their initial marketing. On the other hand, it's going to suck to drive (or cycle, or walk) alongside people driving these vehicles. We're going to be complaining about selfish Hummer drivers when we see these on the roads again based purely on their behavior as drivers, EV or not.

Personally, I'm hoping we start to see a more diverse mix of electric vehicles on the market, including new kinds of micromobility. The Biro (https://biro.nl) is apparently a very cool car to own among wealthier Europeans. I've heard of a couple electric motorcycle brands that are trying to copy Tesla's playbook as a high end, prestige brand. More efficient delivery vehicles are desperately needed, too. But unfortunately, when other people drive SUVs, it makes it harder for you to drive these other vehicles safely and incentivizes you to drive an SUV, too.

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> I've heard of a couple electric motorcycle brands that are trying to copy Tesla's playbook as a high end, prestige brand

Not really addressing anything in your post, but I saw this and wanted to provide some info for those curious.

There are a couple of motorcycle brands that technically produce or are planning to produce electric bikes, but so far there is only one that reliably produces them on scale, and they are definitely treated as Tesla of motorcycles in the community. The brand I am talking about is Zero Motorcycles, and it is pretty much Tesla down to a T when it comes to branding and the experience.

The pricing is notably more expensive than comparable ICE motorcycles, but not outrageously so (their premium models go for a bit above premium Kawasaki models and comparable to BMW ones). Everything is very clean and nice, but looks subtly more different than ICE bikes (similar to how it was with Tesla Model S). A lot of controls through the app and digital screens. Delivers on value great.

Unfortunately, that's the only realistic electric motorcycle option at the moment. Harley Davidson made Livewire, but it was a terrible EV bike that had issues with charging, and had to get recalled multiple times due to software bugs (yes, this is as ridiculous as it sounds). Not even mentioning the price (on both their EV and ICE) being in a whole other category compared to literally any other motorcycle manufacturer. Livewire started at $30k, while Zero premium street bike started at $20k (with even much cheaper models available).

The other one that looks promising is Lightning, but there weren't many sales and i haven't seen virtually a single one on the road (with plenty Zero bikes everywhere btw), so, I suspect, something is not right. Pricing is a bit cheaper, but comparable to Zero.

P.S. I promise I am not affiliated with Zero motorcycles in any way lol. I don't even own one, I have just been researching heavily into electric bikes since last year, because I am looking to upgrade from my trusty Honda cbr500r.

I really dislike that I have a SUV, but TBH I find them WAY more comfortable than sedans. Maybe it'c suz I'm tall, maybe cuz I have tight hamstrings and fragile lower-back. I donno. I'm really itching to get an hybrid/electric SUV, but for hybrid it's hard to swallow spending 10k more for like <10mpg more. The only exception being the new rav4 which would be like 20mpg more AFAICT.

I recently started paying my utility company extra for green energy enough to offset my entire carbon footprint, including car and it's like $15 a month, so that's a lot of years of ICE before $10k delta difference is overcome...

I never really thought of it until I did this but converting cars seems like a pretty inefficient (per dollar) way of reducing carbon.

Slightly OT, but if I were a company selling an "Offset your whole carbon footprint" subscription, I would charge $15/month too (with a bunch of "calculations" in the background to justify it).
Here's the program: https://www.pse.com/green-options/Renewable-Energy-Programs/...

I am nervous about the carbon-offset space, but what warmed me to the idea is it's through my utility so it should be straightforward to measure/calculate/act, as opposed to farm/rainforest protection which is a lot more fussy with much more unknown side-affects.

And part of the justification is the state's regulation requires them to sell you the cheapest power, so it makes sense that you can volunteer for slightly more expensive power that is more green. Also the program is certified by green-e and apparently endorsed by NREL.gov.

And FWIW, it's not a "offset your whole footprint" program; I just used a national kwh-co2 calculator to calculate how much green power I would need to put into the market to offset my entire footprint (instead of only paying to offset the power I use). So very napkin math-y.

I'm not American, I'm curious why Americans didn't like SUVs so much until recently. IIRC they liked larger sedans and pickups?
Besides what the sibling comment said my brainstorming is: - Culture - Cost (sedans are cheaper), but income has gone up, especially in suburbs. - More people living in urban areas with more money, but our urban areas still need cars. People who would buy a truck if they were rural, buy a SUV when suburban. - Smaller family sizes so minivan isn't needed. - Gas prices have plummeted so worse MPG doesn't matter as much compared to sedans.
SUVs are a relatively recent phenomenon, with some exceptions such as the Wagoneer. And we did like large cars, but switched to minivans as cars downsized, then switched to SUVs as Minivans become stigmatized.

And even if you're ambivalent about SUVs, after a while you start thinking "It'd be nice to be able to see beyond this giant block in front of me".