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by cft 2072 days ago
Note that this exception has not been added in California's AB5. The original target was ridesharing companies but now with prop 22 they may actually be exempt, while the freelancers will remain the (unintended?) target. My bootstrapped non-vc funded company was literally possible only due to freelancers.

It is likely that prop 22 will pass because majority of people care more about ride-sharing than about freelancing. Then the popular focus will be shifted away from the problem, and freelancing will remain difficult in California in perpetuity.

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> It is likely that prop 22 will pass because majority of people care more about ride-sharing than about freelancing. Then the popular Focus will be shifted away from the problem, and freelancing will remain difficult in California in perpetuity.

That would be the worst possible outcome. My understanding is the whole reason for the existence of AB 5 is for ride share and food delivery. Might as well repeal AB5 if this proposition passes.

If you are a California voter, please vote NO on this nonsensical proposition!

for others like me who are outside California

https://web.archive.org/web/20201019194140/https://ballotped...

> What is Assembly Bill 5 (AB 5)?

> AB 5 established a three-factor test to decide a worker's status as an independent contractor. The three-factor test requires that (1) the worker is free from the hiring company's control and direction in the performance of work; (2) the worker is doing work that is outside the company's usual course of business; and (3) the worker is engaged in an established trade, occupation, or business of the same nature as the work performed.

> Who is behind the campaigns surrounding Proposition 22?

> On August 30, 2019, three companies—DoorDash, Lyft, and Uber—each placed $30 million into campaign accounts to fund a ballot initiative campaign should the legislature pass AB 5 without compromising with the companies. "We remain focused on reaching a deal, and are confident about bringing this issue to the voters if necessary," said Lyft spokesperson Adrian Durbin.[10][11][12] Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed AB 5 on September 18 without an exemption for app-based drivers and employers. The ballot initiative was filed on October 29, 2019. Brandon Castillo, a spokesperson for the campaign supporting the initiative, stated, "We're going to spend what it takes to win. It's been widely reported that three of the companies already shifted $90 million, but we're still in the early phases. The bottom line is: We're committed to passing this."[13] The companies Instacart (Maplebear, Inc.) and Postmates also joined the campaign.[14]

> Through September 23, 2020, Yes on Proposition 22 received $184.3 million, which is the most funds that an initiative campaign has ever received in California (not adjusted for inflation). Uber contributed $50 million, Lyft provided $48 million, DoorDash contrubuted $47 million, InstaCart provided $28 million, and Postmates provided $11 million.

> The campaign No on Prop 22 received $10.7 million. The International Brotherhood of Teamsters, SEIU-UHW West, Service Employees International Union, United Food & Commercial Workers Local 770, and United Food & Commercial Workers Western States Issues PAC—labor unions or union-affiliated committees—were the top-five donors to No on Prop 22.

It's quite telling how the CA government backed out the moment Uber, Lyft and gang threatened to pull out. They're theatrics that expose the empty arguments they're trying to pull off under the guise of "fairness" and "equality".