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by beervirus 2063 days ago
Is this legal advice about the definition of "money transmitter"? It sure reads that way.
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Obviously not legal advice, but FinCEN's guidance is quite easy to follow here:

https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/FinCEN%20...

> Providers of anonymizing services, commonly referred to as “mixers” or “tumblers,” are either persons that accept CVCs and retransmit them in a manner designed to prevent others from tracing the transmission back to its source (anonymizing services provider), or suppliers of software a transmittor would use for the same purpose (anonymizing software provider).

> An anonymizing services provider is a money transmitter under FinCEN regulations. The added feature of concealing the source of the transaction does not change that person’s status under the BSA.

> An anonymizing software provider is not a money transmitter. FinCEN regulations exempt from the definition of money transmitter those persons providing “the delivery, communication, or network access services used by a money transmitter to support money transmission services.” This is because suppliers of tools (communications, hardware, or software) that may be utilized in money transmission, like anonymizing software, are engaged in trade and not money transmission.

Another resource: https://www.perkinscoie.com/en/news-insights/anti-money-laun...

> Providers of anonymizing services, commonly referred to as “mixers” or “tumblers,” are either persons that accept CVCs and retransmit them in a manner designed to prevent others from tracing the transmission back to its source (anonymizing services provider), or suppliers of software a transmittor would use for the same purpose (anonymizing software provider).

How does that not make Monero itself liable as an "anonymizing software provider"?

Well, you see what FinCEN says about those:

> An anonymizing software provider is not a money transmitter. FinCEN regulations exempt from the definition of money transmitter those persons providing “the delivery, communication, or network access services used by a money transmitter to support money transmission services.” This is because suppliers of tools (communications, hardware, or software) that may be utilized in money transmission, like anonymizing software, are engaged in trade and not money transmission.

In simple terms, the Monero developers are providing software (the Monero network, nodes, and wallet software) that can be used for money transmission, but the developers do not need to register as MSBs unless they also have a side company that conducts money transmission.

Legal advice is regulated where it means applying the law to the specific facts of another person's case, because that is considered the "practice" of law.

Applying the law to a generic set of facts, or to your own facts, is fine.

Nothing posted on a pseudo-anonymous internet forum is ever legal advice.
Have you paid for this advice? Are you a client? Was this directed at you?

If not then this is opinion.

> Have you paid for this advice?

Payment is generally not required to establish an attorney-client relationship.

> Are you a client? Was this directed at you?

No, but I'm looking at it from the perspective of the poster it was directed at.

At the very least, wouldn't an attorney be required to establish an attorney-client relationship?

BTW here's some legal advice: don't jaywalk. I think it's illegal in some places.

No, a preexisting attorney-client relationship isn't always required. Offering advice pertaining to the application of laws or regulations to a specific person's facts is generally considered offering legal advice.

Some states regulate this very heavily, others don't care as much. Generally, California tends to regulate this pretty heavily for lawyers (for purposes of creating an attorney-client relationships that can subject them to malpractice claims) but otherwise not at all for non-lawyers unless they specifically hold themselves out to be in the business of providing legal advice (very common with immigration issues). So, offering random advice on the internet wouldn't be an issue for a non-lawyer (but could be one for a practicing lawyer if they get too specific).

My understanding (that is, I was told by a lawyer I know) is that if the person receiving the information thinks there's an attorney-client relationship, there is. Presumably there's some defense of "a reasonable person wouldn't have thought that", but this is why lawyers tend to be very diligent about saying "this is not legal advice".