[arethuza]

Sorry - I meant that I personally have only ever spoken to people who didn't appear to know where they were a couple of times and they happened to be on what I would have thought were slightly odd hills for someone to just wander up. In both cases they asked me where they were and I gave them a map and showed them where they were - which I hoped helped.

I have spoken to other people on popular hills who didn't have maps - but at least they knew where they were (if perhaps a bit vague about the way up/down....).