[PragmaticPulp]

> they are like “noooo this code is so bad, what, jquery!? An old version of jquery at that!?”

I've spent a lot of time mentoring junior developers.

They don't really care that you or your product are using jQuery. They've been told that using anything but the latest frameworks and technologies is a death sentence for their career. They aren't interested in making your money printer go brrr for you. They're interested in pivoting to that next higher paying job somewhere else with a resume full of React and ES6 and websockets and other complicated technologies.

It's a difficult mindset to overcome. I try to emphasize that shipping product is better than simply knowing the right technologies.

[danjac]

The problem isn't the developers, it's the industry. If developers are having to learn the latest frameworks to climb the career ladder, it's because companies have built all these sites with crazy inverted-pyramid tech stacks and need to hire people with ever more narrow skills to maintain them. The developers are just adapting rationally to the market.

[bryanrasmussen]

right, and it is a continuing problem if you are not Junior anyway, I get rejected for jobs if I don't have the correct combination frameworks, to such an extent that I worry to take a job with a framework that I see as having a poor future. If I do 2 years of Angular, am I then stuck in Angular forever, as it dwindles away (based on Google Trends and my feeling for its future).

[vmception]

Same here, it is very rational.

But recruiters and technical interviewers should be more cognizant of the cross communicability of skills and concepts

Yeah yeah we get that every hiring manager wants someone that “can hit the ground running” and yet they’ve had the job posting up for 6 months when they should have had a 2 week orientation

[vmception]

Oh yes 100%.

There are times when I go work for other people and you really do need to be able to play buzzword bingo or pass a time trial using specific frameworks, or even repairing a project with that framework.

They still don’t simulate the real world so I don’t interview others like that.

Devs that work for me often are entrepreneurial in the sense that they are going out of their way to contract or moonlight, so it always entertaining how separated they are from the business acumen.