[Lambdanaut]

You can ask yourself why something is as it is infinitely until the cycle regresses in on itself. Like the child that keeps asking `why?`. The lie we've accepted is that somewhere beneath this pile of whys is a foundation that makes things as they are for a reason. Something solid. An un-moving axiom.

That's something to consider.

Furthermore we can apply `Why?` to the widely accepted belief in the axiom that our identity begins and ends at the thin layer of air that separates our flesh from the "outside" world. We can see that there is no reason for this belief other than that we have been caught up in the memeplex that we are separate individuals for so long.

What are the repercussions of that? Does that imply, for instance, bending spoons with our mind could be a thing? I mean, if our identity extends beyond this flesh and can be aligned with the will of the universe, then maybe that's a thing. Maybe that's a thought we can entertain.

It's becoming apparent that our consciousness can extend further than we previously believed. We can manipulate systems of our own bodies with our will that we previously thought were 100% in control of us.

When presented with a consensus belief in our limits of awareness and willpower, Wim Hof asks `Why?`, and is able to extend his control further.

I'm excited to see how far we will push our abilities as portals for the universe to see itself through.

[elif]

I've been practicing for years and consuming a lot of wim's video content, and I've never heard any kind of appeal to metaphysics let alone anything related to supernatural abilities.

Wim Hof believes in the scientifically observable ability of the human body when it is put into a primed oxygenated state. Full stop. That's it.

Your comment only serves to muddy the water and confuse anyone who may be casually interested in WH.

[Lambdanaut]

It serves to express my own thoughts. I am the mud in your analogy.

[felixchan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi

[ta1234567890]

> It's becoming apparent that our consciousness can extend further than we previously believed

If by "we" you mean the mainstream western world, then you are correct. However, the notion that consciousness extends, or can extend, further than our minds and bodies, has been known and practiced upon for thousands of years.

On a tangent, I've personally thought about the "infinite cycle of why" a lot and have come to the conclusion that: 1) like you point out, there is no final why, which technically means there is no "real why" for anything at all, only whatever we accept at the moment as the answer, and 2) we are addicted to using language/words - which are useful but imperfect and incomplete tools to communicate things that are impossible to fully describe with them, like feelings, experiences and consciousness, this leads to innumerable problems as inevitably pretty much every message uttered by anyone is distorted into an almost invisible game of telephone.

[meowface]

To me, this is just extending consciousness to more of the body; not beyond it. I think that's what the parent probably meant, as well. Wim Hof breathing demonstrates our autonomic nervous system can be made a little less autonomic - any claims beyond that seem unrelated (and unscientific).

[ta1234567890]

> any claims beyond that seem unrelated (and unscientific).

Maybe, but science hasn't even been able to properly define consciousness. So following your logic, how can there be anything strictly scientific relating to consciousness?

[dougk16]

Great comment thanks for putting it out here. I'm excited too. :)

[beervirus]

The idea that we can exert conscious control over an unexpected part of our bodies doesn’t really provide evidence for astral projection or whatever.

[thotsBgone]

I think there is a distinction to be made between your consciousness leaving your body, and the feeling that your consciousness has left your body. One is clearly impossible, but the other, while less impressive, would still be a transformative experience.

[beervirus]

This is the comment I was responding to:

> What are the repercussions of that? Does that imply, for instance, bending spoons with our mind could be a thing? I mean, if our identity extends beyond this flesh and can be aligned with the will of the universe, then maybe that's a thing. Maybe that's a thought we can entertain.

It doesn't seem to be about imagining that we can bend spoons with our minds.