[ortusdux]

I've been obsessed with technology that skirts religious laws for a while now. Whole house pneumatic systems to run $800 dollar non-electric blenders. Elevators that spend the sabbath atomically opening on each floor. Automatic timers to complete forbidden circuits. I would love to spend an hour or two with a rabbinical scholar. Does walking in front of a motion senor complete a circuit? Are you allowed to ask an AI to do something on the Shabbat?

[therockspush]

This stuff cracks me up. Do they think Hashem is up there looking down, thinking "Good one guys. You got me there. I thought I had all my bases covered. I'll save you some extra latkes when you get here."

Someone help me understand why some folks treat this stuff like a tax loophole.

[nine_k]

AFAIK the Jewish covenant with God is much more like a legal contract than a moral / conscientious obligation. So a tax loophole may be an apt comparison.

[jacobush]

I think the idea is more to understand, "where is the line drawn" than to find a loophole.

[ortusdux]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruv

[jfengel]

It's more a matter of community than of trying to get one over on God. The identity is "We are the people who follow these rules," and in particular, "others are those who don't". Compare it to Western revulsion at people who eat insects or dogs, even though they're as nutritious and safe as anything we eat.

The rules come from God because Jews consider themselves a chosen people. They don't particularly want you to follow those rules or concern yourself with the mechanics of them, because they're not about you. The fact that it doesn't make sense is perfectly fine.

Interpreting those rules in a modern context is every bit as arcane and arbitrary as the rules were in the first place. The important part is that they come to a conclusion and follow them together. That cements the society as a group.

It doesn't really matter what God thinks, either. If God had a contrary opinion, He'd say so. There is, for that matter, a famous story about rabbis coming to a conclusion that God explicitly sends messages against, but is pleased that they have used their reason.

The Jews put a lot more weight on community and a lot less on trying to please their deity by following the rules. It just so happens that the rules really are both things.

[lozaning]

One of the things you can do with samsung's connected oven is turn on Shabbat mode from your phone. Normally the oven will shut off after 12 hours of you not doing anything, but set the desired temp and turn on Shabbat mode and it will hold there indefinitely until until you turn Shabbat mode back off.

You can also do something similar with the fridge where it turns off the ice maker and the auto door light.

I share in your fascination of these kinds of workarounds.

[myself248]

I'd call myself more amused than obsessed, but yeah, the same stuff fascinates me. Can Alexa act as a shabbos goy? Does that assign personhood to the machine, or are you still doing work by invoking it?

[aspenmayer]

Can you use your smart speaker to call your rabbi?