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by _where 2074 days ago
There are no fake accounts. There are only accounts or not.

There are no sockpuppet bloggers; those are called bloggers.

If you go down the fake road, you have to realize real news by real reporters is often wrong. I’ve had someone in law enforcement tell me the news accidentally labeled them the victim on televised news and didn’t correct it.

Classbooks written for US public school students- I understand that some content in them has been incorrect and intentionally biased.

There is truth, but it’s an ideal.

I’m glad that this is calling out those that are manipulating people, but on the other hand- what is the goal?

Will shaming bring fairness?

We could have communist dictatorial leaders enforcing their version of truth, if you’d rather have that sort of thing.

Our president should tell the truth, and it should be a scandal if not, to a point of course, because I’d bet most have lied at times.

But if it’s time to activate something like a libel superpower on the internet, how would that even work in a fair and practical way?

Freedom of speech cannot be freedom only to tell truth; truth can be aspired to, but not necessarily known by all, and what’s understood to be truth by some may change. So, really, what should be done?

Btw- I’ve done my best in past years to tell the truth as much as I can when I’m not kidding around, and it typically makes things difficult, but better. I’m not recommending anyone fake up things to boost rep. But, it’s happening, it’s not good, and I don’t see how AI or oversight or a control play would end well when it comes to enforcing truth. However, the notion of a “fake” account is what allows most of the users to post content on HN and Reddit more freely.

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> By the way, there are no fake accounts. There are only accounts or not.

Yes, until we see a great advancement in AI, actual meat based mammals are driving these accounts.

> There are no sockpuppet

Sometimes it seems like half of Twitter is fake accounts. You've never seen photos or videos of a Bangladeshi click farm? 50 people sitting in small cubicles running proxy-connected virtual machines on desktop PCs, posting stuff, upvoting things on reddit, etc?

I assure you that such things exist. Some of the places that used to do MMORPG gold mining to trade virtual currency for real money have shifted into the market, because it's much more lucrative.

You've never seen the pictures from China of 1 person sitting in front of a board with 40 budget android phones mounted on it, upvoting and reviewing apps?

looks honestly like the worst job ever.
it probably pays about the same as manually assembling cheap plastic and fabric children's toys or christmas ornaments or whatever.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/dec/04/the-grim-tr...

Precisely that.
Those are iPhones.
I can't find the photo right now, but absolutely the same thing exists in the android app ecosystem. If you read and write fluent Mandarin you can probably find such in 30 seconds of searching within-the-GFW search engines.
I’m with you that it’s a serious problem. If it weren’t, Amazon and others wouldn’t be working so hard on AI to combat the AI or human that’s beaten their AI.

Those aren’t “fake accounts”, though. They’re real accounts being abused. There’s a difference. If Amazon and Twitter allow it to happen, it will happen. But what does shaming accomplish here? It just means people waste time talking about it. It has little chance to change behavior. More likely the outcome could become Reddit and HN enforcing a real ID. That may hurt the community, because not all of us want our name on everything; it’s not because I don’t stand behind what I’m saying- I’m just not going to treat every post like I want to carry it around with me on a sign for the rest of my life, even though at some point, maybe I’ll have to!