[chosen1111]

Very interesting. You are right that true immortality is not possible as eventually the universe has an end, now if it crunches and repeats is another question.

If we solve biological aging we then would hopefully eventually be able to buy time before we can develop mind uploading, which brings forth more of the points you outlined.

I probably should have stated the roadmap to solving aging.

[idclip]

The pattern seems to repeat itself with variation, and information travels between bangs via gravity waves - i forgot who said that but it seems to be an idea at the top of the physics professors. Really too bad i cant pull up that citation.

You wanna know something funny? Immortality is actually an issue of how you look at things. Once you start seeing yourself as the “we” organism, as humanity itself and beyond it .. the sheer absurdity of it all overwhelms you, and a feeling of “i am infinite” fills you. Its sort of the feeling we get when we die, since the ego reveals its nature and yields to the self.

(I had sort of a near death experience, it was quiet eye opening)

So immortality - the one we can actually achieve is a shift in thinking. Non trivial yet trivial since its „the truth of what is“ as the tao would put it

[chosen1111]

Would have to agree. At the end of the day we return to a previous form.

If matter itself is conscious or not is hard to say, but I don't see why it isn't possible that it couldn't be.

Though then would that mean souls are the matter itself or outside of matter?, assuming the existence of souls

[idclip]

Yeah, soul is matter - and more accurately its field generated by the oscillation of matter. The oscillation itself is basic, its basically „spin“ in physics. Soul doesnt always mean awareness of experience - animals arent as dramatic about death as we are for example (in meditation, awakenning is synchronizing the awareness of experience again back with the body, or maybe its better to call it psycoanalytical process of individuation which integrated persona with self, as Carl Jung and Co put it)

It starts with the tiniest particle, and regenerates the whole tree. Memory and oscilation are even basic to rocks for example. They accumulate matter aswell, just no seeminhg „awareness of experience“ yet.)

With some caution, I really recommend the book „ The Origins and History of Consciousness“ by Erich Neumann. Also meditation is great to move individuation forward.

its truly mind boggling to understand all this, and its a shame this stuff isnt mainstream knowledge. Though i do admit it can get u labeled and make you feel as an outsider as most of us arent aware, and might actively reject the discussion. Like the othet poster said, „scope creep“ - then again, i truly think immortality of experience is impossible. Matter will always re-transform into energy, and viceversa. This is what we essentially are. And the fear of death is why we are violent about it all.