[coldtea]

>Have you tried them and not had results? Because there are a lot of N=1s anecdotes about it working for people, hence the large following he has.

Placebo, make-believe and self-dellusion often work, especially for the kind of people looking into a miracle cure, which is what such leaders tend to accrue...

[collyw]

If placebo works as well as many prescription drugs, why is it looked down upon so much?

[chimen]

It's being looked down by the same people that tend to believe in miracle cures. One has to make his own reality true in order to cope with society and scrutiny. Placebo is required in trials for new medicine actually, far from being looked down upon.

[coldtea]

I guess placebo was the wrong word here -- as it implies effectiveness.

Replace it with pure make-believe of "feeling better" (as opposed to any physiological improvement).

[collyw]

"Pure make believe"?

Negative thinking can have a detrimental effect on physical health - usually labelled as stress. It seems completely reasonable that positive thinking could have positive heath benefits (assuming that our base line is somewhere in the middle between positive and negative). We should be investigating the mechanisms and encouraging people to do what has positive results.

Homeopathy sounds like a lot quackery to me, but if it works (via placebo or otherwise) and can improve peoples outcomes in a cost effective manner, then I am all for it.

[coldtea]

>Negative thinking can have a detrimental effect on physical health - usually labelled as stress. It seems completely reasonable that positive thinking could have positive heath benefits

Sure. But that's neither here nor there, as bathing in ice cold water is not the mechanism - positive thinking is.

The idea that the Hof's regime did it, is what's the dellusion.

[anonymouswacker]

That is sometimes true, and sometimes not.