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by tlowrimore 2080 days ago
To an extent, you are correct: many countries participate in the cyber-spy/cyber-espionage game. Where, perhaps, you are incorrect is that this is normal. The GRU has lead exceptionally aggressive cyber-attacks on just about everyone, particularly Estonia and Ukraine.

If you're interested in this topic, I'd like to suggest the wondeful (and terrifying) book, Sandworm (https://www.amazon.com/Sandworm-Cyberwar-Kremlins-Dangerous-...) by Andy Greenberg.
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galkk 2080 days ago
That's already deflection. You brought unrelated things to the discussion.

What would you say about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet? I'd argue that Stuxnet is an example of cyberattack. Hacking email server to spy on it is rather a spying. If they were forging emails etc, that'd be an attack.

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hutzlibu 2080 days ago
"Where, perhaps, you are incorrect is that this is normal."

So did the NSA and co. on the other side halted their operations, since Snowden uncovered them? That would be news to me.

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zwaps 2080 days ago
The NSA is not really a good standard to go by though.
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galkk 2080 days ago
It's "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

Who is that gold standard of intelligence then? Who is sending a courtesy note that they will attempt to hack email server on 14:00 PST on Monday?

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