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by zemptime 2076 days ago
I don't see it linked off this article so I'll throw another relevant one here - "The Most Intolerant Wins"

See: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

Additionally full of all kinds of flavorful anecdotes like:

> I once pulled a prank on a friend. Years ago when Big Tobacco were hiding and repressing the evidence of harm from secondary smoking, New York had smoking and nonsmoking sections in restaurants (even airplanes had, absurdly, a smoking section). I once went to lunch with a friend visiting from Europe: the restaurant only had availability in the smoking sections. I convinced the friend that we needed to buy cigarettes as we had to smoke in the smoking section. He complied.

edit: there are a bevy of sibling comments to this one, asking an important question: "When should I be intolerant of intolerance?" The answer explored in the article above is, "...the formation of moral values in society doesn't come from consensus. The most intolerant person (or minority) imposes virtue on others precisely because of that intolerance."

On a larger timescale, the most intolerant viewpoint will shift the views of others toward it. Recognizing this, a society can't tolerate a viewpoint which would be damaging to the core values that society purports to hold, or over the inevitable long-term it will destroy itself. This is why a society which values free speech must quash those elements inside it which will only accept censorship.

Also, "virtue" as quoted has a more specific meaning which is consistency with internal values. That's to say nothing of what those internal values are. They can be great or horrendous for society. Virtue is the willingness to sacrifice for them. Being intolerant is the mechanism by which civil rights advances, just as it can be used for evil.

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> "The Most Intolerant Wins"

Except Taleb's thesis is not supported by history whatsoever. The past three centuries have had ups and downs, but overall there's been a remarkable and consistent global trend towards tolerance, liberalism, and democracy.

This didn't happen because intolerant groups decided to let up on their zealotry. It didn't even happen because intolerant ideas were violently suppressed. (In almost every conflict, it almost always was the anti-liberal faction that initiated hostilities.)

It happened because starting with the Enlightenment, we built a culture around an open marketplace of ideas. In places with liberal cultures and democratic governments, totalitarian ideologies like fascism and Marxism consistently failed to gain traction. They don't need to be forcibly suppressed. Scratch their surface, and virtually everybody realizes that these ideologies are obviously stupid and inconsistent. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

> Except Taleb's thesis is not supported by history whatsoever.

Do you think the major religions got to be the size they are because people though their story was cute?

> totalitarian ideologies like fascism and Marxism consistently failed to gain traction

WWII and their aftermath shows exactly the contrary.

> Do you think the major religions got to be the size they are because people though their story was cute?

Considering that the world's largest religion's central tenet is "turn the other cheek", I don't know if this is exactly a compelling argument for the primacy of intolerance.

It's almost certainly the case that the major world religions, as they're practiced in 2000 AD, are certainly much more liberal and tolerant than their Bronze Age counterparts. The arc of the moral universe is long, but over time it bends towards justice.

> largest religion's central tenet is "turn the other cheek"

True but that doesn't bode well with organizations that took upon themselves to enforce their alleged rules.

Or, in other words: Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition

> as they're practiced in 2000 AD, are certainly much more liberal and tolerant than their Bronze Age counterparts.

Yes, I can agree with this statement

I thought the major religions got to be the size they are because they tend preach conversion to their religion (other smaller religions do not).
Yes, but that wasn't pacific in a lot of cases.