[roenxi]

If your plan is to defend the truth with lies, don't be surprised when your political opponents don't take you seriously.

The environmentalist movement has long been dogged by a sizeable aura of people who dilute the message with craziness and false claims. They are the major reason why progress is so slow - very few people trust them anywhere near anything important. I've yet to see an English-speaking Green party that I'd accept as competent to set policy even assuming they have the correct problems identified.

[everdrive]

>falsifiable claims

Surely you must mean "false" claims?

[roenxi]

Yes. I was thinking "means able to be proved false" in my head, then I took myself too literally. I fixed it.

[pjc50]

> dogged by a sizeable aura of people who dilute the message with craziness and false claims

Maybe .. but on the other hand, craziness and false claims emanating from right-wingers and even the Presidential Twitter Account seem to get taken seriously and make progress.

Scottish Green Party (separate from the Green Party of England And Wales, who do indeed have a bit of a lunatic fringe and ended up picketing their own council at one point) seem to be pretty good to me. Including sensible but difficult to implement policies like "how about we don't have a hundred-foot column of gas flame over Fife all the time".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-5... (yes, this is a pet issue, but I can see a lot of CO2 right there)