[burntsushi]

I switched ripgrep to clap 4 years ago. And that was well after clap had already become the popular "go to" solution.

Some parts of the ecosystem are more stable than others. That's true. And it takes work to know which things are stable and which aren't.

And yet, some things just take a longer time to improve. lazy_static has been stable and unchanged for a very long time and it works just fine. You don't need to switch to once_cell if you don't want to. lazy_static isn't going anywhere. The real change here, I think, is that we're hoping to get a portion of once_cell into std so that you don't need a dependency at all for it.

The async ecosystem is definitely moving more quickly because it just hasn't had that much time to stabilize. If you're using async in Rust right now then you're probably an early adopter and you'll want to make sure you're okay with the costs that come with that.

[simias]

Interesting that I missed clap when I wrote that program a few years ago then. In my defence "argparse" is a lot more explicit than "clap" for a such a library. Also argparse's last update was 2 years ago, so there's been quite a bit of overlap.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's an other problem with the current package ecosystem: you often end up finding multiple packages purporting to do what you need, and it can be tricky to figure out which one you want. As an example, if you want a simple logging backend the log crate currently lists 6 possibilities: https://crates.io/crates/log

I picked "simple_logger" basically at random.

[monsieurbanana]

> it's an other problem with the current package ecosystem: you often end up finding multiple packages purporting to do what you need, and it can be tricky to figure out which one you want

I'm trying to remember the last language I've used where people didn't say that.

Hmm... clojure? Nop.

Javascript? Nop nop nop.

Python? Hahaha I can't even remember all the package managers: virtualenv, venv, pipenv, poetry, ...

[burntsushi]

Seems like an unavoidable problem unless you buy into a curated ecosystem. Like, yeah, the cost of a decentralized ecosystem is that you have to do your due diligence on which crate to use, if any. (For example, I don't even bother with a log helper crate because it just isn't necessary for simple cases.)