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by themgt 2074 days ago
This Twitter thread[1] from a professor specializing in Islamic thought debunks these claims and links to a paper making the counterargument in more detail[2].

[1] https://twitter.com/shahanSean/status/1314372114946895873

[2] https://www.academia.edu/39234303/Old_Texts_New_Masks_A_Crit...

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The argument in this article is not at all surprising coming from the likes of VICE, Vox, Buzzfeed and co. There's a particular narrative they seem to want to advance regardless of how well-supported their positions are.
> There's a particular narrative they seem to want to advance...

This is true of every media outlet. There is no media outlet free from some agenda. By exercising editorial control, they are fundamentally choosing which articles to publish and how they will be presented.

The degree of bias differs, and weโ€™ll be foolish not to punish the more biased outlets.
All outlets publish based on Click probability.

This is all ad driven. So no wonder if article is not fully ture/overblowned/clickbaity etc.

Unfortunately, the Vice and the peer-reviewed articles contain numberous misconceptions that could have been avoided if an Arabist or medievalist were consulted. Iโ€™ll focus on three that seem to be persistent on Internet but that originate in the 19th cent (more on that later)... #1. The ๐พ๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘Žฬ„๐‘ ๐‘Ž๐‘™-๐ปฬฃ๐‘Ž๐‘ฆ๐‘Ž๐‘ค๐‘Žฬ„๐‘› (Eng. The Book of Living Things) of al-Jฤแธฅiแบ“ is not a work zoology or biology. It is a literary bestiary. Jฤแธฅiแบ“ is a Muสฟtazilฤซ theologian and an accomplished belletrist. He wrote his แธคayawฤn a compendium of stories, anecdotes, ... maxims, and poems that organized under the rubric of animals. In terms of genre and content, it resembles, for example, the ๐‘ƒโ„Ž๐‘ฆ๐‘ ๐‘–๐‘œ๐‘™๐‘œ๐‘”๐‘ข๐‘  and its medieval successors. #2. The Arabo-Islamic scholars mentioned in these articles are heirs to Hellenistic tradition and ... its views on nature, much like the medieval scholars of Latin Christendom and Byzantium. Ideas depicted as precursors to Darwin in these articles are, in fact, a part of the reception history of Aristotelian concepts like the โ€œladder of natureโ€ and ... the Neoplatonists' โ€œChain of Beingโ€, which were popular among monotheists at least as early as Philo of Alexandria (fl. 1st cent. BCE). The views of Jฤแธฅiแบ“ no more resemble Darwin than does, say, those of Thomas Aquinas. ... #3. The peer-reviewed article contains many howlers that a competent Arabist would spot immediately. Most egregious is the discussion of ๐‘š๐‘Ž๐‘ ๐‘˜โ„Ž (ุงู„ู…ุณุฎ), meaning โ€œmetamorphosisโ€. This idea has more to do with theology than biology...

In fact, it has a qurสพanic pedigree: the Qurสพan speaks of God punishing the wicked โ€“ especially Jewish violators of the Sabbath โ€“ by transforming them into baser creatures, such as apes and pigs. This has about as much to do with evolution as Kafkaโ€™s ๐‘€๐‘’๐‘ก๐‘Ž๐‘š๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ๐‘โ„Ž๐‘œ๐‘ ๐‘–๐‘ ...

I mean as late as Newton and Euler the division between theology and science was still mushy?

Everything here makes sense, but hardly seems like a refutation to me.

>I mean as late as Newton and Euler the division between theology and science was still mushy?

All the more reason to be very careful in interpreting those writings and mapping them to modern scientific notions.

Sure, but at the same time, we should ask what more we could expect?

Remember the division between pure and applied research is also new. And most things that have a "definitive" old date of discover need an proof (if math) or application to solidify their claim.

Evolution isn't really practical knowledge --- artificial selection predates recorded history so what is left to do before genetics or the ability to observation fast-reproducing microorganisms? I'd say evolution was doomed to be at best re-hypothesized again and again until the 19th century, with nothing to make it stick as part of the culture.

I guess one could dig up fossils, but that sort of traveling and exploring for fun didn't become popular until 19th century provided the vast empires, elite leisure time, and disdain for the empire's current inhabitants that made digging up bones appealing.

There's something very 19th western about traveling around and thinking about natural, not just human, history. Witness how new plate tectonics and geology is too. Perhaps industrial-scale mining was an important vector for getting digging to be part of the culture.

Ibn Battuta, Islamic traveler extrordinaire, checks some of those boxes but not all, and lived after the Islamic Golden age. He commented on pyramids but not fossils.

ha cool I'm reading/typing Metamorphosis on typelit.io right now