[jeffbee]

The HN discussion around Waymo is always overwhelmingly negative because Waymo doesn't fit into the HN cosmology of innovation. Self-driving will come to pass when we force an AI to watch us play Pole Position for a million years, is the HN timeline. HN is comfortable with this Tesla narrative. Less comfortable is the idea that self-driving will be brought to market by lots of control theory PhDs and a really large number of unit tests.

[bsaul]

You seem to know a lot about the difference of approach between waymo and tesla. Do you have any links that would give more on that ?

[mav3rick]

LOL LIDAR vs non-LIDAR

[nickik]

HN is one of the most negative about Tesla of any place I have seen, including car forums. The hate against Tesla and their approach is about 10x more aggressive then the skepticism of Waymo.

Also, I'm pretty sure Tesla has a lot of PhDs and probably about 100x more unit tests then Waymo as they have an gigantic amount of strange real-world corner cases that they have converted to unit-tests. There is no way Waymo has anything like that database, as they simply have never encountered all the strange scenarios Tesla see daily on the roads of China and all the other places they drive around in.

[dang]

This is an extreme case of the notice-dislike bias leading to false feelings of generality: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor....

I assure you that people on the other side of this "Yay $Bigco" vs. "Boo $Bigco" death match feel that HN is extremely biased in exactly the reverse way, and make just as grandiose claims.

[jowday]

The reality of Tesla's data pipeline is nothing like what Elon presented during autonomy day. If you wanted to be generous, you could describe that presentation as a very forward looking vision of what they want their pipeline to look like at some point in the future.

A bunch of hobbyist reverse engineers have explored how Tesla's data pipeline works in practice. @greentheonly does great work.

[WhompingWindows]

A lot of sites/people/institutions are very negative about Tesla, and a lot are devotional to Tesla. If you're reading social media, keep in mind that negative/controversial/strong opinions are upvoted/elevated relative to moderated/reasonable stances.

[revscat]

I’ve noticed this as well. Tesla here is treated like Microsoft was on Slashdot in the 2000s.