[JohnBerea]

I haven't followed much with Seth Rich since a couple years ago. I remember saving these points from a Zero Hedge article:

1. Kim DotCom said he knew Seth Rich and knew he was the leaker. He tried to Mueller to take his testimony about Seth Rich but he wouldn't reply to his emails.

2. "two men working with the Rich family - private investigator and former D.C. Police detective Rod Wheeler and family acquaintance Ed Butowsky, have previously stated that Rich had contacts with WikiLeaks before his death."

3. Friend of the family Ed Butowsky says there's an FBI report "establishing that Seth Rich sent emails to WikiLeaks."

4. Private investigator and former D.C. Police detective Rod "Wheeler also claimed in recently leaked audio that Seth Rich’s brother, Aaron – a Northrup Grumman employee, blocked him from looking at Seth’s computer and stonewalled his investigation."

6. "Metro police detectives claim that Mr. Rich was a robbery victim, which is strange since after being shot twice in the back, he was still wearing a $2,000 gold necklace and watch. He still had his wallet, key and phone."

Has any of this changed or been questioned since then?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-02/contradictions-set...

[mike_d]

Zero Hedge does not provide factual information.

"...we rate Zero Hedge an extreme right biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

[macspoofing]

I agree about Zero Hedge up to a point, just from personal experience and seeing the kinds of articles it puts out .. but who is mediabiasfactcheck.com and why should I trust the unpaid interns* that work there to tell me what I should and shouldn't believe in, and who is and isn't credible?

EDIT:

From https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/about/

"Dave Van Zandt is the primary editor for sources. He is assisted by a collective of volunteers who assist in research for many sources listed on these pages."

All these fact checking organizations rely on young, inexperienced unpaid/low-paid interns to interpret complex situations and provide a final 'truth' score that is then used as some sort of authority. Insanity.

[monadic2]

I mean it's not like their reasoning is secret.... you're obviously free to respond to the substance of their analysis if you disagree.

[macspoofing]

OP stated that Zero Hedge has not been found credible by some fact checking organization. I'm asking what makes them credible to make those judgment calls. It's not incumbent on me to assume their competence and/or objectivity and expand effort to prove otherwise.

[ryaan_anthony]

Even if zero hedge has an extreme right bias, does that mean everything they report is fake news? Was seth rich really shot twice in the back and not robbed despite the official story saying he's a robbery victim? He certainly had access to the DNC emails and was a devote bernie sanders supporter. It's a low barrier to connect those dots and it becomes even more suspicious when left wing media and "fact checking" websites jump to calling it a conspiracy theory. It seems a lot more likely than the russian story which is falling apart every day with official memos saying hillary pushed the russian narrative to distract from her email server. I'd love to believe we live in a fair and just society, but maybe we dont.

[monadic2]

Still tripping at how clueless you're pretending to be. Grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your view of the world.

[tc313]

It's also true that you can respond to the substance of ZeroHedge's analysis in the article in question rather than deferring to a third party who made an assessment of ZeroHedge's general trustworthiness.

[JohnBerea]

Media Bias Fact Check rates the Washington Post as "Factual Reporting: HIGH" even though they accepted $4.6 million from the Chinese Communist Party to run the China Watch section of their website with articles provided word for word by the CCP.[2]

The articles look exactly like real news articles except for the text "A paid supplement to the Wasington Post" in the upper right corner.[2] Had I not known better I would've assumed this meant I'd get a paywall if I viewed too many articles.

This seems every bit as egregarious as anything you'd find on ZeroHedge. I have a very low level of trust for almost all media, but I check Zero Hedge to at least see interesting items ignored by the mainstream.

1. https://efile.fara.gov/docs/3457-Amendment-20200601-2.pdf

2. https://web.archive.org/web/20170715051533/http://chinawatch...

[triangleman]

Point 3 is what this whole article is about. Butowsky is being sued for defamation, that is, for lying about Seth Rich to serve his own political/personal ends.

[nkrisc]

I think a better question is: has any of this been validated? These all sound like the kind of things that should be verifiable yet I've read these claims many times but never seen a source.

[JohnBerea]

The Zero Hedge article has links. E.g. you can see KimDotCom's tweets.

[save_ferris]

Right, but have any of his claims been verified? I can’t find anything substantive to corroborate that Rich reached out to Wikileaks. I just see the same accusation over and over that the FBI has a report confirming this. If Butowsky and Wheeler have evidence that Rich contacted Wikileaks, why haven’t they released it?

[_fizz_buzz_]

Kim DotCom is full of it. He claims to have evidence. That was three years ago. Since then: nothing. Seriously, Kim DotCom claiming to know anything about this makes me doubt it even more.

[cryptica]

Double gunshot wound to the back... Clearly it must be a suicide. That tends to be the preferred way for whistle-blowers to commit suicide; that is what previous case records indicate. There is a clear correlation in the data.

This conclusion is supported by the most highly paid experts including Bill Gates, his wife Melinda and Mr Fuzzballs; their trusted family cat. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming and undeniable.

It should also be pointed out that self-strangulation inside a prison cell using a piece of clothing which bears no trace of DNA and resulting in 2 broken neck bones while the security cameras are off and all the guards are asleep just as you're about to testify in an important high-profile case is the preferred suicide method for would-be whistle-blowers.

[corey_moncure]

Didn't you read the NPR article? They clearly stated that it's been debunked.

[cryptica]

Have you actually watched the media recently? I mean all of it (all political sides). How can one possibly believe anything that is in the media today...

[triangleman]

Nobody said he committed suicide.