[slightwinder]

> the vast majority of players will push a button, the game then automatically forms a group, teleports you to the dungeon/raid, which is then completed without anyone saying a word (and it is almost impossible to lose)

To be fair, this is not really new. It already was this way 10+ years ago at the end of WotLK when I started playing it for a bit.

> Blizzard has optimised out the massively multiplayer part of the MMO, and with new "features" like PvP/mob scaling they've obsoleted the RPG elements too (leveled up? your character is now weaker!)

Argh, that is ugly. Does this mean I can't farm old Dungeons/Raids and Low-Lvl-Areas on my own anymore? This was quite nice to chill from time to time.

[zinodaur]

> Does this mean I can't farm old Dungeons/Raids and Low-Lvl-Areas on my own anymore? This was quite nice to chill from time to time.

Most zones have ranges, e.g. level 1-60. So coming back to that zone at lvl 120, you can easily defeat even the most scaled up monsters. Old dungeons/raids are easily soloable at max level.

The zone scaling has made leveling a much better experience, since you can skip the more this-was-made-15-years-ago content without being stuck without quests/content to do.

I personally really like the pvp scaling as well since it results in a much higher volume of interesting fights. Its also sort of a necessary evil that comes with the zone scaling, since people do zones out of order. E.g., a level 30-60 zone will have level 30s and level 60s questing in it, and pvp with a level gap like that is boring for both parties

[blibble]

> I personally really like the pvp scaling

presumably you've seen the latest video of a level 20 going around one shotting level 120s?

blizzard don't even understand their own scaling system

at the start of bfa you had also level 110s beating up 120s due to the magic of scaling combined with the loss of the previous expansion's abilities

awful, just awful

[blibble]

the dungeon finder was maybe OK, but in WoD they added the automatic raid finder too

no need to have a guild

you can do old areas (via the "magic" of scaling down), however as you leveled up through legion and bfa the mobs health and damage scales with your level AND your gear!

so once you level up from 115 to 116 you become noticeably weaker

additionally you lose abilities from the previous expansion as you level up, so the classes feel like something out of a facebook game (awful to play)

so 5-10 years ago they ruined the MMO part of the game, and now they've ruined the RPG part too

[thaumasiotes]

> the dungeon finder was maybe OK, but in WoD they added the automatic raid finder too

The raid finder was added in cataclysm, not WoD.