[cedex12]

> Every baby step away from industrialization is a step towards sustainability.

This seems to be at the core of many of my acquaintance's "principles", for lack of a better term. But it seems counter-intuitive to me: doesn't industrialization allow for:

* better efficiency (larger scale)

* higher technology, allowing more efficient techniques, again

?

At some point, you can't have each of us working on a small 1-family farm if we still want to be able to have, e.g. computers, high quality medicine, travels, etc.

Is "industrialization" the enemy here or is it growth and generalized overconsumption?

[bluntfang]

>doesn't industrialization allow for...

You tell me! How are we doing as an industrial society?

From my perspective I see slavery and persecution of underprivileged people and pillaging of the Earth's natural resources in order to sustain an upper class lifestyle for a small percentage of the total population.

And trust me, I am very comfortable due to industrialization, but I also know that it's because we make a lot of other people uncomfortable.

[vimy]

> You tell me! How are we doing as an industrial society?

Pretty great. Before the industrial revolution the number of people with a comfortable life was a tiny % of the world population. Now, half of the world is middle class or wealthier[1], living a more comfortable life than the kings of the past. Industrialization has been a blessing for humanity.

[1] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2018/09/27...

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extre...

[bluntfang]

and what about the other half? We just use them as slaves? That's OK with you?

[cedex12]

> in order to sustain an upper class lifestyle for a small percentage of the total population.

But this seems to agree with industrialization itself not being the problem, but the way we make use of the "industrially produced" resources we have, no?