[metters]

> The biggest problem in my opinion is people struggling with self directed learning, more than anything.

> many people dont have a clear goal of what they're trying to achieve in their target language other than a vague sense of fluency

> If your language goal is to become fluent in a language, that's a goal with no defined end in sight

This is why I like tests that 'proof' the level (e.g. CEFR, HSK, NLPT, and so on) It does not make anyone better and does not really proof that one can converse in the language, but for me as a learner it is a nice goal to have. I can study by myself and know what I am learning for (the test for the next level)

Fluency just comes with it imo and needs immersion and practise anyway. Practise would mean application of the things learnt before