[aunali1]

The T2 was more or less a stopgap solution between their current Intel-based offerings and the AppleSilicon devices in regards to their security aspirations. My understanding is that there will be no T3, as evidenced in the DTK, which makes a lot of sense considering how identical these chips will be to their mobile counterparts.

[mindfulhack]

I'm a user on a 2019 16-inch MBP (MacBookPro16,1) who hopes to move to Linux as my base OS on this hardware full-time over the next 12 months. (https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux)

This is because I honestly cannot find a laptop with the combination of 64+ GB RAM, a non-NDIVIA GPU (edit: to clarify, this is because of NVIDIA's notoriously bad compatibility with Linux), and other premium hardware aspects like its market-leading trackpad at this time - and I doubt that will change anytime soon.

I live with the debilitating T2 kernel panic hardware bug every week. There's also a very bad graphics bug that I and many others are facing. (Not sure if that one can be avoided by simply using Linux.)

I just want to do away with this T2 chip, and whatever it does to get in the way of an otherwise great Intel-based computing experience. The CPU can handle all my encryption just fine...

Thank you to your team for what you're doing. I assume Apple will constantly patch T2 jailbreaks with future macOS system updates (as that's how firmware is updated), and play a long-term cat and mouse game.

[windexh8er]

While it doesn't entirely meet your specs you can get a T495 with 32GB of RAM [0] and Vega graphics. We're getting close, I am holding on to my T470 as a daily driver and it's one of the best laptops I've owned (I'm forced to use a 16" MBP for work as well - and I still prefer the T470).

One of these years we'll get a comparable AMD laptop. Fingers crossed.

[0] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-t-ser...

[zigzaggy]

The T495 is my daily driver. I love this machine and I plan on using it for many years to come.

[unsatchmo]

How can you all handle the low-resolution screen? I want one of those Lenovo laptops but with a higher resolution screen

[zigzaggy]

Well I have slightly lower vision than most people so it prob doesn't bother me as much as it would most. But yeah that's an issue. I was actually so excited about the other components when I bought it that I kind of overlooked the resolution specs. I was / am disappointed about that aspect of it, but everything else is awesome.

[cHaOs667]

Why without an Nvidia GPU? Just go with an XPS 15 or 17 and embrace Nvidia on Linux. I have three developers running Linux on HP zBooks with Nvidia GPUs without any hassle.

You can also buy any newer Thinkpad (my recommendation). They are also available with AMD CPUs.

It's pretty easy to buy Linux laptops these days.

[mindfulhack]

Everyone in the Linux space, from what I regularly read and hear, says that NVIDIA GPUs are notorious and a bad idea for using Linux. They're saying go with AMD. (As well as Ryzen instead of Intel for CPUs, where possible.) The only open-source nouveau drivers are absolutely terrible, I can attest to that fact myself. There's several benefits to not relying on NVIDIA's proprietary and non-in-built drivers for a decent experience. You'll know this already, depending on how deeply and regularly you use Linux.

[gravitas]

I will anecdotally agree; I've been a Linux laptop user for... well, 2 decades maybe? and explicitly choose Dell Mobile Precision and/or IBM/Lenovo T-series laptops with ATI/AMD, dealing with NVIDIA graphics is just a pain in the ass once we passed the GeForce era (ish).

I'd rather just have/use Intel GPU over them as well, I am not a laptop gamer to need anything NVIDIA offers in exchange for the pain in maintenance using out of tree modules to me.

[Shared404]

I will anecdotally disagree.

Depending on which distro you use NVIDIA grapics can be quite painless. Using Pop!_OS, I just had to download the correct iso from their downloads page.

I believe most other distros have NVIDIA's drivers in their non FL/OSS repos as well.

Optimus graphics will even work with the most current drivers.

[windexh8er]

I'll agree here as well. While I'd love to get more AMD centric options without Nvidia - they're not as bad these days as it was years ago. In fact I use an Intel NUC (Skull Canyon) as my daily desktop driver. The kicker is I wanted to do some OpenCV with Nvidia and run the NUC with an eGPU on Linux. I've been doing it for years and it works surprisingly well. It's gotten even better with 'egpu-switcher' [0].

[0] https://github.com/hertg/egpu-switcher

[acomjean]

I’m using Pop!Os (preinstalled) with a sys76 laptop. Works great (can even game) battery life is terrible (though it looks fantastic and can drive a 32 inch high dpi external)

I can switch to built in Intel video for better battery but it requires a reboot. I see this as a stopgap. My home machine has an amd video.

[cHaOs667]

This is also the distro my employees are using.

[michaelt]

I've used nvidia GPUs on Ubuntu with the proprietary drivers.

In my experience they're largely OK. There are some rough edges - you'll struggle to get Steam and CUDA working at the same time, for example - but no showstopping problems.

I certainly don't have a debilitating kernel panic every week :)

[runjake]

I'm in the Linux space. My GTX 1060 works just fine.

[exikyut]

What's your experience been with amdgpu?

[mindfulhack]

At my end, that's what I have to start testing on my 2019 MBP as I plan a transition to bare metal Linux fully on it, using the tools at https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux. (Will take several months.) I'll be sure to document it in that community and share tips when extensive testing is done.

It's only MBP NVIDIA GPU in Linux (older model) that I have extensive experience on so far, and it's been terrible with nouveau.

[HeadsUpHigh]

Nvidia gpus require proprietary drivers that are only provided for specific distros and are only supported for a small amount of time. And if you find any bug well tough luck, nobody can help you. For a work setup that you rely on someone else in the company for support they might be fine but I wouldn't recommend them for a personal setup.

All this is on top of the fact that they still don't support Wayland and you have to reboot to switch between the igpu and the nvidia gpu.

[ZekeSulastin]

10 years of support on the latest driver branch (current branch goes back to the 600 series, and the 400 series was dropped in June) doesn’t exactly seem like a small amount of time.

[HeadsUpHigh]

Yes that's what they say officially. You'd be hard pressed to run any of those old cards without issues.

[dirkt]

> that are only provided for specific distros

Last time I looked, it was perfectly possible to install them directly, without support by the distro. Yes, it's more work.

> Nvidia gpus require proprietary drivers

There's an open source driver, nouveau, but of course it's behind the newest hardware.

[HeadsUpHigh]

>Last time I looked, it was perfectly possible to install them directly, without support by the distro. Yes, it's more work.

Yes, you can install them and they will break with every single update and you need to re-install them. And you will encounter bugs that no-one has any idea why they are there and no-one will help you with.

>There's an open source driver, nouveau, but of course it's behind the newest hardware.

It's not just behind, it's actively sabotaged by nvidia by locking basic hardware functions behind closed firmware that it encrypted.

[ryanmarsh]

It's pretty easy to buy Linux laptops these days.

Yes but to GP’s stated requirements, the trackpad feels like trying to push a marble around in peanut butter.

[fsflover]

> I honestly cannot find a laptop with the combination of 64 GB RAM, a non-NDIVIA GPU, and other premium hardware like its market-leading trackpad at this time

Only 14”, and perhaps less performant, but here is this one: https://puri.sm/products/librem-14/.

[dbspin]

The linked laptop lacks a GPU.

[babypuncher]

It's trackpad probably isn't as good as that of the MBP.

[fsflover]

This is true. But it has many other advantages related to users’ freedom and security, e.g., you can open it and upgrade, it has Coreboot, kill switches: https://puri.sm/posts/librem-14-shipping-in-december/.

[mindfulhack]

Yes, I'm after 15"+ too.

[fsflover]

They also have a 15” version, but it’s much less performant. They will probably present a new model soon with the same specs like the one above.

[mindfulhack]

I really hope so. I'm even willing to give up the Apple trackpad if something else comes that lines everything else up. I tried so hard a couple of weeks ago to find something non-Apple that ticked all the boxes, and was shocked my existing MBP was the only one that ticked enough of them. I'm waiting and waiting for an explicitly Linux-supporting manufacturer to offer a truly high end and Linux-friendly laptop. It's a holy grail right now.

[andyrichardson]

I'm stuck with a 15" 2018 macbook pro running macOS because of T2. I feel your pain.