[panic]

The problem is consent. People think of email like regular mail. They don't understand that you're able to track them every time they open a message. The reason people are creeped out by "I see you are opening my email" is because the tracking itself is unexpected and unwanted.

[NicolasGorden]

I support organizations like EPIC and EFF. I tell people all the time in my life to support causes like these and get made fun of.

> The reason people are creeped out by "I see you are opening my email" is because the tracking itself is unexpected and unwanted

Yes, but there's no reason to be, tracking is well known for anyone who wants to know it. A google search is not a high barrier to obtaining information. And it's not my clients obligation to inform the public. You can make a case that schools should teach this. That public officials should spread it. That non profits promote it. That the media should mention it more.

To argue that my client producing widgets is not disclosing it further than they already do in the Privacy policy, in the disclaimers in emails and in their terms and conditions... is IMO unreasonable.

The reason I don't mention "I see you are opening my emails" is because it makes people uncomfortable. Which is why this topic isn't in the news. To blame a small business owner producing quality widgets and their marketing guys for the society we create jointly is immature at best.

I do my part on my dime and my time. I'm not going to feel guilty or apologize for providing value to businesses that provide value. I live and work within the constrains of the real world and actively try to make those constrains better. I don't think it's reasonable to expect more of people.

[dudul]

> The reason I don't mention "I see you are opening my emails" is because it makes people uncomfortable.

So you do acknowledge that it is creepy and undesired, and your solution instead of not doing it is just to not mention it but do it anyway. Classy.

> To blame a small business owner producing quality widgets and their marketing guys for the society we create jointly is immature at best.

We're not doing that jointly buddy. You are the one doing it and you only get away with it by trying to hide it as you mentioned just above.

[NicolasGorden]

> So you do acknowledge that it is creepy and undesired, and your solution instead of not doing it is just to not mention it but do it anyway. Classy

My solution is to use standard industry practices while supporting non profits and politics that improve the overall ecosystem.

It's what adults do. But I guess attacking strangers on the internet is where true class comes from?

> We're not doing that jointly buddy. You are the one doing it and you only get away with it by trying to hide it as you mentioned just above.

The only reason I'm doing it is because it's industry standard practice and it works. You can't bring a knife to a gun fight. Acting like that can happen just shows me you aren't well engaged with the real world. Insinuating my small business clients should not segment email audiences while their competitors do it is just unrealistic and disconnected from how the world operates.

Real world people who actually care about privacy and not grandstanding or throwing rocks in an effort to virtue signal... they actually sign up at EPIC and EFF and contact senators and congressman about specific privacy legislation. At least that's what I do to improve the situation. What do you do that I should be doing to improve our situation in relationship to privacy?

[ubermonkey]

>And it's not my clients obligation to inform the public.

This is why people don't like marketers.