[NewOrderNow]

Your point of view is intrinsically liberal, and the latter point of view plays the victim and assumes people can't evolve to gain the intelligence needed to not fall for misinformation. You intrinsically think there are people who can't make decisions for themselves. Sounds like control

[majormajor]

The absolute "freedom is simple, and restrictions are all bad" position is nonsense. Ignoring that there are people who would use their freedom to infringe on others is naive and childish.

If everyone has a gun, we aren't all safer, we're just all each at the mercy of whoever decides to pull the trigger first.

[grawprog]

>If everyone has a gun, we aren't all safer, we're just all each at the mercy of whoever decides to pull the trigger first.

But isn't the basis behind MAD and the whole premise behind the continued existence of the world since nuclear weapons became a widespread thing, that, we're all safer having nukes instead of ridding the world of them, because if nobody had nukes, then someone would make one and use one?

I mean, i'm on the 'remove all nuclear weapons from existence' team myself but...

[Proziam]

> If everyone has a gun, we aren't all safer, we're just all each at the mercy of whoever decides to pull the trigger first.

I wonder how the math breaks down on whether you're safer having fun at the gun range, or on the road driving to it.

> The absolute "freedom is simple, and restrictions are all bad" position is nonsense.

I think this statement is needlessly antagonistic. Restricting the freedom of individuals who are acting in good faith and with sufficient personal responsibility seems wrong to me. This harms everyone who ever had to get a license just to serve drinks and wipe tables, as a common case.

> Ignoring that there are people who would use their freedom to infringe on others is naive and childish.

I don't believe anyone here has said that we should ignore bad actors. If someone has bad ideas, people should be free to refute them. If someone engages in behavior that harms others the legal system can intervene.

Censorship is a stupid mechanism for improving society. If you can use it against those you disagree with, what happens if they end up in power and use it against you? Rigging the rules is short-term thinking.

[tallon]

>If everyone has a gun, we aren't all safer

If everyone who is responsible has a gun, we are all safer.